ginmar: Quote for the day

ginmar (

ginmar) wrote,
@ 2006-12-04 14:51:00

Quote for the day
From Amanda, of Pandagon.net:

“The less right you have to talk in the eyes of the hierarchy, the louder you seem. Which is probably why black women are seen as the loudest people ever.”

Think of that the next time somebody tells you you're too loud, interupt too much, talk too much, and so forth.

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sophiaserpentia
2006-12-04 08:07 pm UTC (link)

Since it is assumed by the patriarchy that any voice you hear speaking must be, by default, an upper-class straight white man's voice ("coincidentally," isn't that what we hear on TV much of the time?), any other voice is inherently an interruption, a usurpation of cultural discourse. This is why any other voice is automatically presumed to have an agenda, even when it doesn't, whereas the "malestream" voice is automatically presumed to not have an agenda, even when it does.

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velourmane
2006-12-04 08:10 pm UTC (link)

I think Happy Feminist was talking about that, in regard to those faux studies about how much women chatter, chatter, chatter. I've been thinking about it a lot every time I have a long discussion with a male. I really do talk an awful lot, but so do my companions, generally. Yet I don't get the sense from them that every time they string 20 words together they start to think (shit, am I monopolizing things? need I shut up?)

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	ginmar 2006-12-04 08:14 pm UTC (link)
	I haven't seen a single one of those studies that holds up because the reality is, men dominate conversation, and when someone dares to try and speak, they get enraged and try to re-assert control. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	shezan 2006-12-04 08:45 pm UTC (link)
	But even when those studies have been discredited, they are STILL bra,ndished in our face. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ginmar 2006-12-05 01:54 am UTC (link)
	No, they're not. It's like the shit about Gelles/Strauss 50/50 DV figures. It's done; it's a Godwin. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	shezan 2006-12-05 02:35 am UTC (link)
	Ha! You should have been at the dinner party I went to last Saturday. "Women say 20,000 words a day when men say 7,000", they claimed, and I could quote the refutation by Prof Liberman in Nature all I wanted, no dice. That is, when I could open my mouth. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	velourmane 2006-12-05 03:47 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, I heard it being given air time on NPR last weekend. It was a question on "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ginmar 2006-12-05 03:49 am UTC (link)
	Point out that their very actions are contradicting their words. (Reply to this)(Parent)

jeric_synergy
2006-12-04 08:52 pm UTC (link)

I have a young friend (well, young to me: he's an adult) and it started to drive me MAD how he'd interrupt the women in the group, but not so much the guys. Once you're sensitized to it it really stands out.

I'm sure it was unconsious (i.e. not actively malicious, and he was appalled when I pointed it out to him), but is that better or worse?

(BTW, "enraged"?? No coffee for them.)

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	ginmar 2006-12-05 01:55 am UTC (link)
	Well, it depends on if he does anything about it...Why do you think it's such a big deal on the list of things feminist men can do to just listen? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	shezan 2006-12-04 08:43 pm UTC (link)
	Doesn't work for Jools Siviter in MI-5, though... (Yes, I have *.avis of the first two seasons, should you be interested. Heh.) (Reply to this)

	alleycatsphinx 2006-12-04 09:25 pm UTC (link)
	That's very good. I need to spread that around. (Reply to this)

	Off Topic -- Zombies al_zorra 2006-12-05 12:50 am UTC (link)
	Therefore I d/a/r/e presume to interrupt the scheduled program You may well have this on the radar already, or read the author's previous, but if not, here is a review: http://www.sfsite.com/12a/ww237.htm World War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War Max Brooks Crown Publishers, 344 pages (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Zombies are never off topic ginmar 2006-12-05 12:58 am UTC (link)
	I'm finishing the last chapter right now. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Zombies are never off topic al_zorra 2006-12-05 01:41 am UTC (link)
	Well, since I blew it already, what do you think about it? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Zombies are never off topic ginmar 2006-12-05 01:51 am UTC (link)
	I quite like it. I like the pseudo documentary approach. It's very interesting. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Zombies are never off topic shinotenshi02 2006-12-05 01:58 am UTC (link)
	Do you have "The Zombie Survival Guide" by him? That one is a great read, and was given to me by my sweetie for a b-day gift, b/c he wants me to be safe. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Zombies are never off topic ginmar 2006-12-05 02:01 am UTC (link)
	Hee. Yes, I do, although I have to say, zombies aren't high on my list of things I have to survive. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Zombies are never off topic shinotenshi02 2006-12-05 02:02 am UTC (link)
	We can hope for the day when Zombies are ALL we have to worry about...and we can work towards that day... Then we can decimate the zombies, and all will be well. ^_^ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Zombies are never off topic ginmar 2006-12-05 02:09 am UTC (link)
	Well, you know, one bullet, one kill....I mean, keep me in bullets, we're fine. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Zombies are never off topic shinotenshi02 2006-12-05 02:35 am UTC (link)
	I get along well with cats, and am good company. I sew, I don't mind scrubbing, and I can sort of cook! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Zombies are never off topic ginmar 2006-12-05 02:42 am UTC (link)
	Heh. Anybody can learn how to shoot. Zombies as enemies, however, seem especially refreshing, given the shit our elected officials pull. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Zombies are never off topic ginmar 2006-12-05 01:57 am UTC (link)
	What do you mean you blew it? I really like the approach the book takes; it's lacking any of those cliched characters one's supposed to care about, but can't, because they're just bundles of habits. Some books and movies, I swear, take that approach sneakily: they just use their characters as meat for the same no-cast-of-characters approach. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	The one thing I used to hear suladog 2006-12-05 01:01 am UTC (link)
	from my mother all the time as a kid...how come I only always hear your voice. At fiorst I felt embarassed...but then...well heheheh (Reply to this)

	candika 2006-12-05 05:15 am UTC (link)
	They tell us we talk to much because they like to believe that we talk more than they do. What I can't understand is why they consider communication to be such a bad thing. There are times when they depend on us to do the communication for them and then denigrate us when we do. Double bind. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	ginmar 2006-12-05 05:21 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, women talk too much. Supposedly. Funny thing is, the only men worth calling such are the ones that listen. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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