ginmar ([info]ginmar) wrote,
@ 2006-10-15 18:56:00
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Sixty Minutes
Boy, if ever there was a textbook case of how to subtly bash the victim, it's this show's take on the Duke rape case. They hammer on and on about her 'inconsistant stories' but all the evidence they present is skewed against the victim and for the attackers. Waht might that be?

For starters, they claim that the lacrosse team is a bunch of sparkly little white boys with no history of violence or racism. How, then, do they explain the racist remarks made by the players the night of the party and the constant complaints about the house from the neighbors?

When in the past the unreliability of human memory has served to exonnerate black men convicted of crimes they didn't convict, here it is used merely to impugn the character of the victim. Also, a black man who was a Navy veteran and the victim of a prior racial assault would have had both those facts pointed out in his defense. Not here. Did they say anything about this during the part where I was yelling at the TV? People subjected to trauma do not remember all at once. People subjected to trauma often not be able to identity the person who traumatized them. And so on.

They never challenge the accused at all. They asked them puff ball questions, let the guys whine and say whatever they want. They betrayed no knowledge whatsoever of just how awful that murderous email that the one sick fuck sent out that night. Nor did they bring up the idea of how easy it is to screw with camera phones date function and so forth. Nor did they do anything to stress that there are various ways rapists might not leave DNA.

In short, they gave the attackers all the rope, and then they tightened it around the victim's neck. It was startling the amount of hearsay they permitted about her; the other stripper, the guys accused of raping her, her unnamed boss-----all those people are permitted to present their opinions of her, unchallenged. Yeah, how accurate are those opinions? Do we know anyting about these people?

IF these guys were poor white guys or poor black guys, they'd be locked up. Poor guys rape, you know. They're so easy to provoke. And poor women cannot be Navy veterans and strippers. That's too complicated. You can only be a Navy vet if you emulate men.

Every time they had a chance to present something that glared to be presented on behalf of the victim, they missed it. Every time they could shave the line for the rich white boys and make them seem downtrodden and oppresed, they did.

They're going to let these guys know, but not before they make the victim into a lying hysterical slut.

Do we know what happend? No, we don't. But I know this: the victim's story was presented in such a way to convict her, and there were glaring ommissions. There were whitewashes in the case of the attackers, who happen to be rich and white and male. And presenting pictures of the women stripping just reinforces for the public the idea that strippers can't be raped, that rape only happens in dark alleys, and that rape can't happen in five minutes----or if it does, it doesn't really matter.

Sixty Minutes just reinforced the myth of the dark alley rapist by presenting, in effect, only the attackers' excuses, and left the victim out entirely. In so doing, they also asserted the racial stereotypes of rape as well: black rapist in an alleyway, white innocent victim by attempting to slant a story with the opposite dynamic. In this country, the population of women most likley to be raped are black women, while the ones least likely to report it are....black women. Sixty Minutes just sent a familiar and bitter message to them and to other women: make sure you don't get raped by a bunch of rich white boys. It'll be their word against yours, and three outnumbers one.


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[info]nebojsanjegosh
2006-10-16 12:27 am UTC (link)
"It'll be their word against yours, and three outnumbers one."

Not to mention the force multiplier of them being white and your not.......

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[info]nebojsanjegosh
2006-10-16 12:29 am UTC (link)
Oh and rich,must not forget rich......
cause it's ok when the bossman sons do it....

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[info]ginmar
2006-10-16 12:30 am UTC (link)
Yeah, exactly. One white equals how many black women? One white guy equals how many white women? Now add whtie guys to the scales for every time she's had a drink, every guy she turned down for a date who's eager to go on the stand and call her a slut, every girl she's pissed off by being smarter or whatever, or maybe not just giving up. Adn don't think these white boys don't know it, either.

And then somebody will piously say that the Taliban requires four male witneses to rape, or else the victim is a slut. We just assume that any old white guy is four times as valueable as any white victim but eight times more valueable than a black victim, or whatever, and then they keep multiplying if the women have actually lived life and stuff.

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[info]nimbrethil
2006-10-16 12:29 am UTC (link)
People subjected to trauma often not be able to identity the person who traumatized them. And so on.

The unreliability of eyewitness testimony is a topic for basic psychology. I recall reading about cases where, during bank robberies, for one, the spectators all gave wildly varying descriptions of the thieves: some people would insist the perps were black, others would claim the guy was asian, and so on. In a few situations, not all of the witnesses could even agree on the gender of the person! The idea was that the shock felt by the people who found themselves witnessing a robbery prevented them from absorbing even the most basic details.

If eyewitness accounts are that fucking unreliable in those situations, it's going to be that much worse for a rape victim! Jesus. It's not that fucking complicated!

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[info]mistress_laurie
2006-10-16 03:31 am UTC (link)
The unreliability of eyewitness testimony is a topic for basic psychology. I recall reading about cases where, during bank robberies, for one, the spectators all gave wildly varying descriptions of the thieves: some people would insist the perps were black, others would claim the guy was asian, and so on. In a few situations, not all of the witnesses could even agree on the gender of the person! The idea was that the shock felt by the people who found themselves witnessing a robbery prevented them from absorbing even the most basic details.


No joke.

I once worked for an insurance company, handling auto crash claims. If I had 4 witnesses to an accident, I'd invariably get 4 different stories of what happened. Some of the differences were subtle, like the speed of a car being 10 mph different, but some were glaring, like which car ran a red light (impossible for both to do so at an intersection).

I grew to LOVE one-vehicle accidents..........

Unfortunately, rape is not a one-person crime, and these guys have had months to get their stories coordinated so they're speaking as one voice against a victim whose story has consistently been questioned because of who and what she is.

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 11:59 am UTC (Expand)

[info]alleycatsphinx
2006-10-16 12:31 am UTC (link)
If we started prosecuting all people equally under the law it'd be the end of the world as we know it. (cross your fingers)

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[info]ginmar
2006-10-16 12:36 am UTC (link)
Yeah, well, large segments of the white male population would wind up in jail. Adn you know? It would be peaceful for once.

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(no subject) - [info]nebojsanjegosh, 2006-10-16 12:50 am UTC (Expand)

[info]shezan
2006-10-16 12:48 am UTC (link)
If I understand correctly, the lacrosse team were at first treated as guilty, especially by the DA. It seems new facts emerged afterwards, including a watertight alibi for one of the guys (he was filmed by an ATM camera at the time when he was supposed to be in the house), and the total absence of any of their DNA.

As a journalist, believe me, I find it easier to sell a story excoriating a bunch of rich white guys, because the majority of anyone's readers (save perhaps the KKK Sewing Gazette) don't LIKE rich white guys. It's obvious they were rude, moronic macho pigs, but it doesn't mean necessarily they're rapists.

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[info]ginmar
2006-10-16 12:52 am UTC (link)
Problme is, that kind of ignores the whole point of my post, which was the article was so slanted they didn't exactly maintain their journalistic neutrality. They omitted the guys' documented history of arrests and violence. They left out stuff that exonerated the victim. And the ATM footage is pretty usefless. How long does an ATM stop take at one AM? Did the victim time the rape?

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(no subject) - [info]mirandaflynn, 2006-10-16 01:11 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]shezan, 2006-10-16 01:15 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 01:18 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]shezan, 2006-10-16 01:43 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]mirandaflynn, 2006-10-16 01:22 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]shezan, 2006-10-16 01:42 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 11:57 am UTC (Expand)
From The New Yorker - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 12:29 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: From The New Yorker - [info]mirandaflynn, 2006-10-16 07:43 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]shezan, 2006-10-16 01:14 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 12:24 pm UTC (Expand)
FWIW - [info]q_grrl, 2006-10-16 05:27 pm UTC (Expand)
strippers
[info]fireincarnation
2006-10-16 04:47 am UTC (link)
As a stripper, there's a whole lot of stuff that's considdered normal or expected at work and on the job that's considdered assault, sexual harrassment, or the like if you are in any other profession. The guys just don't seem to understand that rape laws still apply if the woman is a stripper. I can only imagine the torture that prostitutes must endure in that reguard.

I've also had two experiences in my life where I should have been able to identify an assailant, but I couldn't even give basic details about the person. In one instance I came home to find our landlady and some man had broken into my apartment and was rifling through my belongings. She began screaming at me, and I was rather startled and shocked at the experience, I couldn't even provide any description of the man when the police arrived. At another time, I was at work (as a stripper) and a guy took a grab for my girl parts. Fortunately for me, he was pretty drunk and his hand swayed, but he grabbed me pretty far up on my inner thigh anyway. I was caught completely off guard, but I managed to break his glasses and give him a few good kicks to the face before management pulled him away from the stage and I rushed into the back room to calm down and think up my options. I came out not even five minutes later hell-bent on calling 911 and pressing some sort of charges (I had a room full of witnesses who backed me up,) but the management had already kicked him out, and I suddenly realized that the only two things I remembered about him were clothing--a red flanel jacket and a ballcap.

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Re: strippers
[info]ginmar
2006-10-16 12:08 pm UTC (link)
And if the law doesn't protect all women, who does it protect? Oh, wait, that's right----men.

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Re: strippers - [info]thenetwork, 2006-10-16 12:37 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 12:42 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]thenetwork, 2006-10-16 12:48 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers
[info]nimbrethil
2006-10-16 08:20 pm UTC (link)
The guys just don't seem to understand that rape laws still apply if the woman is a stripper.

Unfortunatly, men and women alike don't seem to understand this.

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Re: strippers - [info]fireincarnation, 2006-10-16 09:31 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 09:48 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]fireincarnation, 2006-10-16 10:10 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 10:32 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]fireincarnation, 2006-10-16 10:45 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 11:25 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]fireincarnation, 2006-10-17 12:31 am UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-17 12:38 am UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]nimbrethil, 2006-10-16 09:55 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]fireincarnation, 2006-10-16 10:11 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]stardragonca, 2006-10-18 08:43 am UTC (Expand)
Re: strippers - [info]fireincarnation, 2006-10-18 02:08 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]rashaka
2006-10-16 04:49 am UTC (link)
I watched it for a couple minutes, about the time when they said the investigating professor found no history of violence or racism in the team, and showed pictures of the victim pole-dancing, saying she'd complained of back pain but performed anyway. They said it like she was lying about the injury because she could still dance-- what if she just, you know, wanted to pay rent that month? That would mean working, I would think, even if you're in pain.

A few minutes later they were showing pictures of the three up-for-trial men in their cleanly pressed shirts and well-lit camera angles. One of the accused men started talking about how "this has changed my whole life", and at that point I just muted it. Then I had this conversation:

Mom: Why did you do that?
Rashaka: I didn't want to listen to them any more.
Mom: What if I wanted to?
Rashaka: *unmutes*
Mom: Are you upset at something?
Rashaka: It just seems so... one-sided.

And that was basically the end of that conversation. We were really too tired today to have the energy to discuss it in full, but we watched something else soon after, anyway.

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[info]ginmar
2006-10-16 11:55 am UTC (link)
Yeah, the part about her back really pissed me off. Um, rent, anyone? Obviously nobody who's been without medical insurance or had to pay rent wrote that part.

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[info]q_grrl
2006-10-16 05:35 pm UTC (link)
"I watched it for a couple minutes, about the time when they said the investigating professor found no history of violence or racism in the team"

Then perhaps they should search through Durham 911 calls for all the times I called the team in on violence and homophobic threats (one night it was three times in succession because the team members refused to quit threatening to do me bodily harm). Or the time the team captain had to come out in the middle of the night because he was worried that one of the team member's fathers was going to start hitting me (I had confronted him at 1 a.m. about his son's drunk and disorderly behavior - it was a Thursday, I needed sleep so I could work the next day, and the lacrosse party was ensuring I didn't get sleep). Or the time I had a shot glass thrown through my side window into my dining room.

yeah, no violence there folks. Just boys will be boys, no?

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-16 05:45 am UTC (link)
How can they just wave aside things as the racial slurs (shouldn't there be a stronger word for it?), the horrible e-mail, neighbour's testimonies, her possessions in their house and so on? That article in the New Yorker were no better. It sickens me.

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 11:56 am UTC (Expand)

[info]canucklehead909
2006-10-16 08:57 am UTC (link)
I can't do it, because I'm in England and didn't see the piece in question, but have you considered sending what you've written above to Sixty Minutes? Not that it'll change their reporting tactics, but it'd be nice to know that someone was calling them on this kind of crap.

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 11:56 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]ciardhapagan, 2006-10-16 01:16 pm UTC (Expand)
OT: Yet another abomination
[info]trentc
2006-10-16 10:58 am UTC (link)
On a semi-related note, I've been following a series of articles on Slashdot about Hans Reiser, who was arrested earlier this week for the murder of his wife, Nina.

She's been missing for over a month, and the police apparently finally amassed enough evidence to charge Hans with the crime. (The big points being Nina's blood found in his car, which he tried to conceal from the FBI, and books about police investigation procedure which Hans bought.)

Well, if you want to hit about 18 on a scale of 1 to 10 of being pissed off, read some of the discussion on Slashdot here, here, and here.

Never have I seen such a disgusting display of privilege and self-indulgence; apparently many of the people commenting are more concerned that work on Reiser's self-titled Linux filesystem is going to suffer because he will be likely going to jail than whether or not he killed the mother of his children, who by accounts may have been upstairs in the house at the time.

Victim blaming? Sure.
Hans was a great guy who doesn't deserve to have his life ruined? Yeah, there's some of that, too.
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Always a favorite.

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Re: OT: Yet another abomination - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 12:01 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: OT: Yet another abomination - [info]thenetwork, 2006-10-16 12:41 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]ultimategirl
2006-10-16 03:24 pm UTC (link)
Something else that kept being repeated during the piece was that, if convicted, the accused were facing years, decades in prison. Yeah, Great Big If. A video tape of the assault itself doesn't even guarantee a rape conviction, and we're supposed to believe these guys have absolutely no chance in court? Because rape convictions are just that easy to get, with judges handing them out like candy. Uh huh. Sure. :/

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 03:26 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]mirandaflynn
2006-10-16 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Couple of interesting things that have come out recently:

Dancer 2 says that when the accuser arrived at the house, she was fine, but she was only semi-coherent when she left, and the first cop that came after the call characterized the accuser as 'just a drunk'. That says to me the she may have been slipped something, which would, naturally, render her stories off.

Also, in one of the reports by the accuser, Dancer 2 *helped the attacker redress the accuser after the attack*. While Dancer 2 denies this, I think there's a possiblity that she may have been paid off to help support the Lacrosse team's stories.

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 05:07 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]delphyne_
2006-10-16 05:55 pm UTC (link)
How the fuck are these little bastards allowed to go on national TV and call the victim a liar before the trial? That's not justice. In the UK there would be no way they could do this, once a case is coming to trial the media is not allowed to comment except in the very widest terms.

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-16 08:40 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]kimberly_t
2006-10-16 07:22 pm UTC (link)
So disgusted by the whole affair I want to puke. Preferably on the 60 Minutes producer's shoes.

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(no subject) - [info]stardragonca, 2006-10-18 08:46 am UTC (Expand)

(Anonymous)
2006-10-17 11:41 pm UTC (link)
One thing I've had a LOT of trouble explaining to people is that "not enough evidence/prosecution credibility for a rape conviction" does not equate to "the rape victim was lying." Even if Nifong's not credible, how does that automatically make the victim a liar? People are very clear about the presumption of innocence for the lacrosse players, but they don't give this woman the presumption of innocence. They just automatically convict her of being a malicious liar.

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-18 12:02 am UTC (Expand)
Duke Rape Case
(Anonymous)
2006-10-26 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Hello, Ginmar.

Thanks for you excellent take on the Duke rape case. Contrary to what many in denial will say, SOMETHING definately went on in that house in March, 2006.

And that these media types are building up such a sympathy picture of the accused is sickening. Never mind that a neighbor called in to the police the racist slurs he heard hurled at the dancers; nevermind that PER THE 2ND stripper, that they were threatened with the attack of a broomstick, nevermind that the police did not react quickly to gather evidence for forensics to present to the DA.

This case has been nothing but a wake-up call to the still degrading mindset that many Americans still harbor against the sexuality of black women.

During slavery, black women, like black men, were stripped naked before the potential slave-buyers.

Black women are STILL being "stripped" naked before the eyes of the rest of America.

Black women are still "slaves on the auction block", and there is not much chance of that image of black women ever, ever going to go away.

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Re: Duke Rape Case - [info]ginmar, 2006-10-26 07:37 pm UTC (Expand)
Duke Rape Case
(Anonymous)
2006-10-26 06:26 pm UTC (link)
I probably signed on as "Anonymous."

Please note, I am "Ann".

Thanks.

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