ginmar ([info]ginmar) wrote,
@ 2006-03-22 08:33:00
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And in the fighting back news....
Jane Doe, the victim in the Haidl case, is sueing the scumbag defense attorney who confused 'a vigorous defense' with stalking, harassment, invasion of privacy, and general sexist bullying of a sixteen-year-old-girl for what I hope turns out to be his every dollar, his license to practice law, and his freedom. I say we bring back dueling. I'd be her substitute. I don't want to steal Sheelzebub's thunder, so go read it.

And in other news, this is too good not to quote: from [info]feminist_fatale comes what I hope is the opening salvo in taking the fight back to them, them being the white guys who passed the South Dakota law outlawing abortion. The governor's popularity rating has fallen by half since he signed the bill, which is wonderful enough, but this----this is icing on a very sweet cake:


Taken from Feminist, X-Posted like mad
Oglala Sioux President on the SD Abortion Law
Giago: Oglala Sioux president on state abortion law
Tuesday, March 21, 2006

"When Governor Mike Rounds signed HB 1215 into law it effectively banned all abortions in the state with the exception that it did allow saving the mother’s life. There were, however, no exceptions for victims of rape or incest. His actions, and the comments of State Senators like Bill Napoli of Rapid City, SD, set of a maelstrom of protests within the state.

Napoli suggested that if it was a case of “simple rape,” there should be no thoughts of ending a pregnancy. Letters by the hundreds appeared in local newspapers, mostly written by women, challenging Napoli’s description of rape as “simple.” He has yet to explain satisfactorily what he meant by “simple rape.”

The President of the Oglala Sioux Tribe on the Pine Ridge Reservation, Cecilia Fire Thunder, was incensed. A former nurse and healthcare giver she was very angry that a state body made up mostly of white males, would make such a stupid law against women.

“To me, it is now a question of sovereignty,” she said to me last week. “I will personally establish a Planned Parenthood clinic on my own land which is within the boundaries of the Pine Ridge Reservation where the State of South Dakota has absolutely no jurisdiction.”

http://www.indianz.com/News/2006/013061.asp


Cecilia Fire Thunder sounds like my new superhero. Where's the damned comic book where she kicks ass? Where in hell's the news story? This is what I need first thing in the morning.

Oh, wait....


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[info]kajunhippie
2006-03-22 02:50 pm UTC (link)
Don't you know? Indian news ain't news. <bitter />

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[info]kali_ma
2006-03-22 02:59 pm UTC (link)
Yes! I too, would do ANYTHING for a stuffed animal! I would risk harassment, bullying, rape and defamation becuase I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT THE TEDDY BEARS!


WTF?!

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[info]kimberly_t
2006-03-22 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Well all RIGHT! That's the best "In your FACE!" I've heard in months!
Off to go find a website and email for the Oglala Sioux Tribe on the Pine Ridge Reservation. Can't hurt to send an email applauding this decision and showing support!

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[info]vaspider
2006-03-22 04:10 pm UTC (link)
I laughed out loud for about five minutes straight after reading that. All of it, actually, because I hope that lawyer gets his bits sued off & I about died laughing reading the article on Cecilia Fire Thunder.

My. New. Personal. Hero.

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[info]ceitnicangus
2006-03-22 04:24 pm UTC (link)
Cecilia Fire Thunder sounds like my new superhero. Where's the damned comic book where she kicks ass? Where in hell's the news story? This is what I need first thing in the morning.

She is a superhero! Good for her!

I to want to know what "simple" rape is.

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[info]ginmar
2006-03-22 04:26 pm UTC (link)
It's simple to the guy doing it, or the guy sympathizing with the rapist.

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[info]ceitnicangus
2006-03-22 04:32 pm UTC (link)
Oh yeah, the idiot shits that think that a woman deserve it, the man wouldn't have taken it if the woman just gave him a little slack, or better yet she really wanted it. Yeah -- Simple.

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[info]fromaway
2006-03-22 05:51 pm UTC (link)
It's a term people sometimes use to refer to rape without violence save what was required to accomplish the rape itself; i.e. no knife, no gun, no "sodomizing as bad as you can make it." Napoli's notion is that being forced into intercourse is not in and of itself traumatic enough to "justify" an abortion.

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[info]kyra_neko_rei
2006-03-22 09:10 pm UTC (link)
Gaah. Ugh!

Napoli's notion is that being forced into intercourse is not in and of itself traumatic enough to "justify" an abortion.

Napoli's an ass. Maybe we should start framing under-four-week vacuumings of the uterus as a "simple abortion." No violence other than what's required to accomplish the abortion: insert stick, remove unwanted genetic material, which corresponds to Napoli's understanding of "simple" rape: insert stick, add unwanted genetic material.

Jackass downplays rape, and vilifies abortion. Says something about his view of the comparative worth of women and embryos.

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[info]geekyfeminist
2006-03-22 05:27 pm UTC (link)
Cecilia Fire Thunder. Even her name kicks arse!

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[info]wlotus
2006-03-22 05:41 pm UTC (link)
Sounds like she's living up to it quite well!

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[info]journalfag
2006-03-22 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Indeed.

I hope she shoves some fire thunder right up South Dakotas ass.

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[info]akycha
2006-03-22 07:12 pm UTC (link)
Cecilia Fire Thunder is my new superhero.

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[info]silveraspen
2006-03-22 07:50 pm UTC (link)
I hope Jane Doe wins, and that the "attorney" in that case not only loses his license to practice law but can never find another job in the legal field so that he can spend the rest of his days as a bitter and useless man. He's already got a good start on it.

More power to Cecilia Fire Thunder. That's wonderful.

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[info]porphyre
2006-03-22 07:54 pm UTC (link)
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[info]wildcherrygal
2006-03-22 07:56 pm UTC (link)
AWESOME!!!!!

(the comment from prphyre was actually me, but I forgot my friend was signed in. I hope she thinks that this is awesome, but shouldn't speak for her)

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[info]jlindquist
2006-03-22 08:33 pm UTC (link)
“I will personally establish a Planned Parenthood clinic on my own land which is within the boundaries of the Pine Ridge Reservation where the State of South Dakota has absolutely no jurisdiction.”

...the clinic will have a musical sign out front playing a cover of "U Can't Touch This" on endless loop. ("MC Hammer Of The Gods" is President Fire Thunder's rap name.)

Really, you have to love it when a minority group finds a good way to stick it to The Man.

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[info]kyra_neko_rei
2006-03-22 08:50 pm UTC (link)
“I will personally establish a Planned Parenthood clinic on my own land which is within the boundaries of the Pine Ridge Reservation where the State of South Dakota has absolutely no jurisdiction.”

Oh, brilliant! HAAAA!

OK, yeah. Elation trumping coherency today. *grins*

Take that, South Dakota! (P.S., anyone know where in South Dakota the Pine Ridge Reservation is? If it's along I-90 or close to it, then I can get gas there should I have to go through South Dakota sometime.)

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[info]kyra_neko_rei
2006-03-22 08:47 pm UTC (link)
Jane Doe, the victim in the Haidl case, is sueing the scumbag defense attorney who confused 'a vigorous defense' with stalking, harassment, invasion of privacy, and general sexist bullying of a sixteen-year-old-girl for what I hope turns out to be his every dollar, his license to practice law, and his freedom.

*exclaimation of delight that doesn't translate well into text*

I hope too.

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Thanks for this
[info]llachglin
2006-03-22 11:05 pm UTC (link)
I told my wife about your post (and another friend who reads you mentioned it on her LiveJournal), and she went ahead and called President Fire Thunder and spoke to her directly:

http://kathrynt.livejournal.com/366823.html

The relevant info:

"If you want to mail donations to the reservation, you may do so at:

Oglala Sioux Tribe
ATTN: President Fire Thunder
P. O. Box 2070
Pine Ridge, SD 57770

OR: and this may be preferred, due to mail volume:

ATTN: PRESIDENT FIRE THUNDER
PO BOX 990
Martin, SD 57751

Enclose a letter voicing your support and explaining the purpose of the donation. Bear in mind, the Pine Ridge Res is not exactly dripping with disposeable income, so do consider donating funds directly to the tribe as well as specifically for this effort.

For email contact, you can contact the president at:

firethunder_president (NOSPAM AT) yahoo.com
cc:vbush(NOSPAM AT) oglala.org

[remove the NOSPAM AT and replace with an @, obviously)

That is Ms. Fire Thunder's personal email address; I have received permission to post it here. For the sake of record keeping, do cc: the listed address on all correspondence; that's her official secretary."

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[info]ginmar
2006-03-22 11:51 pm UTC (link)
Oh, how cool! I'm quoiting you, okay?

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[info]al_zorra
2006-03-22 11:18 pm UTC (link)
Only some stupid man could ever categorize this act of violence into something like, "simple rape."

I wish he would be subject to one.

I mean that, and I'm not going to apologize. I have my reasons, and they begin with what could never, even by this dorkhead, be characterized as a 'simple act of rape.'

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[info]amberite2112
2006-03-23 01:01 am UTC (link)
i'm with you!

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[info]kyra_neko_rei
2006-03-23 03:50 am UTC (link)
Except that that wouldn't be "simple rape." That'd be "sodomizing as bad as you can make it," especially since he appears to be the type of whiner who thinks anything bad that happens to him is the worst that can happen to anyone. He'd probably consider himself more violated than any rape victim in the history of the human race.

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[info]juliansinger
2006-03-22 11:33 pm UTC (link)
Where to donate, if you want to help Ms. Fire Thunder get the clinic up off the ground.

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[info]ginmar
2006-03-23 12:01 am UTC (link)
I just did a post! Cool!

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[info]salzara_tirwen
2006-03-23 12:38 am UTC (link)
How long before the National Guard is posted around the res border forcing pregnancy tests on every woman who goes in or out?

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[info]ginmar
2006-03-23 01:09 am UTC (link)
Caueescu did it.

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[info]salzara_tirwen
2006-03-23 02:27 am UTC (link)
yeah, that's why it won't surprise me.

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[info]kyra_neko_rei
2006-03-23 03:47 am UTC (link)
Oh, damn.

If they can do that around the reservation, they could do that around the state borders.

On the other hand, argument: Constitutional right to freedom of association; Constitutional right to not be imprisoned for no reason (imprisoned in the non-tribal parts of the state, essentially).

Hmmm. What if thousands of women flocked into South Dakota and all tried to get into the reservation, and bankrupted South Dakota with the cost of pregnancy tests?

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