ginmar (![[info]](http://p-stat.livejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} ginmar) wrote,@ 2005-07-03 09:22:00 |
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Helpful reminder, part two
So I did a list of troll remarks a while back and thought I'd do replies. Forgot about it; just now remembered it. Original remarks are in bold; the responses in italics. Have patience: this should be formatting hell.
After looking over the past few posts, I've identified a whole bunch of trollish statements which help identify anti-feminist trolls, or twits of the first order. I'll be posting responses later.
1. But don't feminists think that----?
Which feminists, dude? And all of them? Or what? Maybe the imaginary ones you believe in like the Butch Fairy?
2. But according to standard feminst logic, isn't that---?
Standard feminist logic is not what you get from Faux News, dipshit. Furhtermore, no such animal, anyway. All feminists are different. All women are different.
3. That's sexist against men!
Yeah, I feel your pain. Let's go chat about foot binding and corsets and glass ceilings and rape and...that supermodel who won't date you.
4. Men get raped too, you know! By women!
There's a crime that's sweeping the nation. Your gender makes up the majority of LE agencies, the judiciary and our elected representatives. Go fix it.
5. The patriarchy hurts men, too, you know!
See above. If you weren't here bitching about it, you could be out there, stopping it. Case you haven't noticed, you ARE the patriarchy.
6. Feminists just create a culture of victimization.
Victimizers create a culture of victimization.
7. Men are so horny they can't help it.
I've noticed that they can help it after a couple warning shots.
8. Women don't have sex drives.
Maybe around you they don't.
9. Any variation of these stereotypes: Women lie, exaggerate, are overly emotional, prone to panic, fear, etc., etc., Included in here is any commentary about false rape accusations designed to show that women are, of course, prone to lie. Any explicit reference to women's emotions.
You don't sound hysterical at all when you talk about how evil women are just secretly plotting to get you. Like you're interesting enough to get, by the way.
10. Any variation of these stereotypes about men, which justify coddling and deny responsibility: Men are just guys, just horny, mean no harm, just want to have sex and beer.
You know, when you say you guys are assholes, you're just proving feminists right.
11. Any variation of this cry: Hey, not all men are bad! Not all men are rapists! Not all men are...this, that, the other.
This is always said in response to something that wasn't said. When somebody responsds like this, I always wonder why they're so defensive.
12. Any variation of this statement: I've never experienced this. So what's the matter with you?
The matter with me is that I'm afflicted with people who see their idiocy as an advantage.
13. Any variation of the opposite statement: I've done this and it's wonderful and great and so none of those other people must be doing it right or they're just not as special as I am. And it's profitable besides!
If you were special, you wouldn't be bragging about it so desperately. Also? People boasting about their meal tickets doesn't exactly demonstrate independance: quite the opposite. How independant are you when you need somebody else's money?
14. I'm not a feminist, I'm an equalist.
You're a cowardly little shit who wants to sweep sexism under the rug so you feel better. Equalism works only if men and women have an equal playing field. They don't. What you're working for, then, is something that preserves the current status quo, where men have all the power and use it to control women. See: politics, law enforcement, the judiciary, the presidency, and the use of the phrase, "Mankind."
15. Any statement which begins like this: I'm not a feminist, but....
Fine. Gimme your birth control, your vote, and your independance. Free ride stops now.
16. You stifle dissent!
It's called sticking to the topic, bozo. And you're not interesting enough to have your own damned topic anywhere but your mama's blog. The fact that you're here rather suggests your mama don't have much use for you either.
17. No, it's not.
Yeah, that helps. What's a matter? Run out of vocab? Or brain cells?
18. Any variation of these platitudes: Life is great, why don't you just get out more, cheer up, smell the roses, pat the baby duckies, and so forth and so on. Related to #25 and #13.
Nothing cheers me up more than some comfortable dipshit underestimating my life and telling me how stupid I am. What?
19. Violence against women isn't the problem; it's violence in general. Usually used with more general topics than rape.
More equalist crap. See above.
20. Feminists do this, that and the other.
Name names, asswipe. FAST.
21. Andrea Dworkin said all sex is rape.
I posted a link about it on my profile. If you don't read my profile, it's your own damned fault if you get nailed. This is not a feminist blog for newbies. Lurk and learn. If you apologize for making me so much as think about looking it up again, I'll let your ignorant ass live.
22. Feminists just want to take over, hate men, hate sex, think all sex is rape, are all fat lesbians, don't shave their legs, etc., etc.,
Dude, paranoia can be either be sign of serious mental illness or...wishful thinking. You're not interesting enough to take over, either.
23. Women unfairly get custody too much of the time.
Women unfairly get most of the housework and childcare, too, bonehead.
24. Men are getting screwed by: (multiple choice; supply your own but my favorite is the 'Men die sooner, you know! option. Like, do feminists cause this?)
You do it to yourself, but it's my fault? Not priveleged at all there, pal.
25. (Nationality) women have it so good here. Look at Afghanistan. Why are you bitching?
Because you're here and not there?
26. Men have to work dangeroushigh-paying jobs from which women have been excluded jobs to support their families.
Yeah, it sucks to get all that money and shit. And it sucks to have a good ole boys network to get you jobs and preferential treatment.
27. There's no such thing as male privelege because I do not feel priveleged. (Or some other story about themselves.)
Yeah, and of course I'm expected to take your word as the gospel.
28. Women have all the power. Women can get laid any time. Men suffer because they have to ask for dates and stuff. And then pay for it.
Yeah, all that power and what's Monica doing again?
29. Men have to go to war, you know.
Best keep women out of combat so you can keep whining about it, then, hadn't you? Pity, by the way, that the enemy doesn't believe that women don't belong in combat.
30. Men created all this stuff, and women sat on their asses and did nothing.
Yeah, it's kind of hard to be master of the universe when you have to wear a corset, have your feet bound, your genitals cut off, have a kid every year and die after fifteen pregnancies at the age of thirty five. How come men were so creating all this shit they didn't work on stuff to keep women alive?
31. Women can have abortions but men have no say in the matter!
No wonder men can't find the clitoris: they still haven't figured out that they don't have ovaries.
32. Feminists won't let battered men into battered womens' shelters.
Yeah, I'm sure OJ will recover from his disappointment. Of course men could do battered mens' shelters instead of demanding that women do this task for them....
33. Women secretly beat up men just as much as men beat up women.
If it's a secret, how come you know it, then? And how come you don't believe that men secretly abuse women?
34. I'm sorry if I somehow offended you by saying any of these things, but I thought you liked debate.
I like debate. I don't like people who put the word 'if' into the middle of an apology and call it sincere.
35. IS NOT!
Go sit at the kiddie table.
36. IS TOO!
Naptime, kiddo.
37. I just think you suck and all feminists suck and you're a bitch and a fascist for not letting me spout my drivel as long as I want about whatever subject I want and say whatever I think. Bitch.
Why I'm not heartbroken at this, I don't know.
38. The pretentious version of #37, except with those SAT vocab words.
Dude, medication is your friend---unless you're Tom Cruise. Go check it out.
Sigh. 39. Related to #12, 14, and 19: But I say this all the time, and I don't mean it like that, and I've never heard of anybody using it like that, so that's all that matters.
Your logic is not like our earth logic.
sigh again.40. I've never heard of feminism or sexism so I'm just trying to find stuff out about it. Often accompanied by #1 and #2, and every dodge in the book. Often accompanied by coy and leading questions, plus protestions of innocence and pleas of, "But I thought...!" that are in and of themselves insulting. "I thought feminists hated men and wanted to kill them and take over." Not a blog for noobs. If you want to find out about feminism check out my bibliography.
You know, I suddenly feel a great deal of nostalgia for old-style sexism.
Sigh. 41. So I compared a woman to an inanimate object. What's your problem?
Your brain is an inanimate object, doofus.
Sigh 42. You just hate me because I have a penis!
No, you ARE a penis, and therefore all you see are vaginas. Oh, yeah---and you lack the character to inspire hatred. A certain nausea, perhaps...
43. Feminazi.
God, with you around---I wish.
44. You're nuts.
You're a doctor?
Sigh. 45. Women being snarky about sexism against men is just as bad as male sexism against women!
Really? Wanna trade then? Huh? Hey! Where are you going?
46. Sexism makes women all bitchy and cranky. Shut the fuck up already.
That's awfully white of you there, babe.
47. I'm really sensitive and I want to help, which I will demonstrate by talking in platitudes about how people are just people and you're just going to gently point out that snarkiness is not helping anything.
Neither are you, bozo. At least snark makes me feel good.
48. You can't handle the truth! Er, sorry, that's A Few Good Men! You can't tolerate anything but ass kissing!</i>
Yeah, tell that to all the people I disagree with who understand the difference between disagreement and trolling.
49. Dyke!
Actually, part of my family has some German blood, so that would be VAN Dyke to you, bozo.
So I did a list of troll remarks a while back and thought I'd do replies. Forgot about it; just now remembered it. Original remarks are in bold; the responses in italics. Have patience: this should be formatting hell.
After looking over the past few posts, I've identified a whole bunch of trollish statements which help identify anti-feminist trolls, or twits of the first order. I'll be posting responses later.
1. But don't feminists think that----?
Which feminists, dude? And all of them? Or what? Maybe the imaginary ones you believe in like the Butch Fairy?
2. But according to standard feminst logic, isn't that---?
Standard feminist logic is not what you get from Faux News, dipshit. Furhtermore, no such animal, anyway. All feminists are different. All women are different.
3. That's sexist against men!
Yeah, I feel your pain. Let's go chat about foot binding and corsets and glass ceilings and rape and...that supermodel who won't date you.
4. Men get raped too, you know! By women!
There's a crime that's sweeping the nation. Your gender makes up the majority of LE agencies, the judiciary and our elected representatives. Go fix it.
5. The patriarchy hurts men, too, you know!
See above. If you weren't here bitching about it, you could be out there, stopping it. Case you haven't noticed, you ARE the patriarchy.
6. Feminists just create a culture of victimization.
Victimizers create a culture of victimization.
7. Men are so horny they can't help it.
I've noticed that they can help it after a couple warning shots.
8. Women don't have sex drives.
Maybe around you they don't.
9. Any variation of these stereotypes: Women lie, exaggerate, are overly emotional, prone to panic, fear, etc., etc., Included in here is any commentary about false rape accusations designed to show that women are, of course, prone to lie. Any explicit reference to women's emotions.
You don't sound hysterical at all when you talk about how evil women are just secretly plotting to get you. Like you're interesting enough to get, by the way.
10. Any variation of these stereotypes about men, which justify coddling and deny responsibility: Men are just guys, just horny, mean no harm, just want to have sex and beer.
You know, when you say you guys are assholes, you're just proving feminists right.
11. Any variation of this cry: Hey, not all men are bad! Not all men are rapists! Not all men are...this, that, the other.
This is always said in response to something that wasn't said. When somebody responsds like this, I always wonder why they're so defensive.
12. Any variation of this statement: I've never experienced this. So what's the matter with you?
The matter with me is that I'm afflicted with people who see their idiocy as an advantage.
13. Any variation of the opposite statement: I've done this and it's wonderful and great and so none of those other people must be doing it right or they're just not as special as I am. And it's profitable besides!
If you were special, you wouldn't be bragging about it so desperately. Also? People boasting about their meal tickets doesn't exactly demonstrate independance: quite the opposite. How independant are you when you need somebody else's money?
14. I'm not a feminist, I'm an equalist.
You're a cowardly little shit who wants to sweep sexism under the rug so you feel better. Equalism works only if men and women have an equal playing field. They don't. What you're working for, then, is something that preserves the current status quo, where men have all the power and use it to control women. See: politics, law enforcement, the judiciary, the presidency, and the use of the phrase, "Mankind."
15. Any statement which begins like this: I'm not a feminist, but....
Fine. Gimme your birth control, your vote, and your independance. Free ride stops now.
16. You stifle dissent!
It's called sticking to the topic, bozo. And you're not interesting enough to have your own damned topic anywhere but your mama's blog. The fact that you're here rather suggests your mama don't have much use for you either.
17. No, it's not.
Yeah, that helps. What's a matter? Run out of vocab? Or brain cells?
18. Any variation of these platitudes: Life is great, why don't you just get out more, cheer up, smell the roses, pat the baby duckies, and so forth and so on. Related to #25 and #13.
Nothing cheers me up more than some comfortable dipshit underestimating my life and telling me how stupid I am. What?
19. Violence against women isn't the problem; it's violence in general. Usually used with more general topics than rape.
More equalist crap. See above.
20. Feminists do this, that and the other.
Name names, asswipe. FAST.
21. Andrea Dworkin said all sex is rape.
I posted a link about it on my profile. If you don't read my profile, it's your own damned fault if you get nailed. This is not a feminist blog for newbies. Lurk and learn. If you apologize for making me so much as think about looking it up again, I'll let your ignorant ass live.
22. Feminists just want to take over, hate men, hate sex, think all sex is rape, are all fat lesbians, don't shave their legs, etc., etc.,
Dude, paranoia can be either be sign of serious mental illness or...wishful thinking. You're not interesting enough to take over, either.
23. Women unfairly get custody too much of the time.
Women unfairly get most of the housework and childcare, too, bonehead.
24. Men are getting screwed by: (multiple choice; supply your own but my favorite is the 'Men die sooner, you know! option. Like, do feminists cause this?)
You do it to yourself, but it's my fault? Not priveleged at all there, pal.
25. (Nationality) women have it so good here. Look at Afghanistan. Why are you bitching?
Because you're here and not there?
26. Men have to work dangerous
Yeah, it sucks to get all that money and shit. And it sucks to have a good ole boys network to get you jobs and preferential treatment.
27. There's no such thing as male privelege because I do not feel priveleged. (Or some other story about themselves.)
Yeah, and of course I'm expected to take your word as the gospel.
28. Women have all the power. Women can get laid any time. Men suffer because they have to ask for dates and stuff. And then pay for it.
Yeah, all that power and what's Monica doing again?
29. Men have to go to war, you know.
Best keep women out of combat so you can keep whining about it, then, hadn't you? Pity, by the way, that the enemy doesn't believe that women don't belong in combat.
30. Men created all this stuff, and women sat on their asses and did nothing.
Yeah, it's kind of hard to be master of the universe when you have to wear a corset, have your feet bound, your genitals cut off, have a kid every year and die after fifteen pregnancies at the age of thirty five. How come men were so creating all this shit they didn't work on stuff to keep women alive?
31. Women can have abortions but men have no say in the matter!
No wonder men can't find the clitoris: they still haven't figured out that they don't have ovaries.
32. Feminists won't let battered men into battered womens' shelters.
Yeah, I'm sure OJ will recover from his disappointment. Of course men could do battered mens' shelters instead of demanding that women do this task for them....
33. Women secretly beat up men just as much as men beat up women.
If it's a secret, how come you know it, then? And how come you don't believe that men secretly abuse women?
34. I'm sorry if I somehow offended you by saying any of these things, but I thought you liked debate.
I like debate. I don't like people who put the word 'if' into the middle of an apology and call it sincere.
35. IS NOT!
Go sit at the kiddie table.
36. IS TOO!
Naptime, kiddo.
37. I just think you suck and all feminists suck and you're a bitch and a fascist for not letting me spout my drivel as long as I want about whatever subject I want and say whatever I think. Bitch.
Why I'm not heartbroken at this, I don't know.
38. The pretentious version of #37, except with those SAT vocab words.
Dude, medication is your friend---unless you're Tom Cruise. Go check it out.
Sigh. 39. Related to #12, 14, and 19: But I say this all the time, and I don't mean it like that, and I've never heard of anybody using it like that, so that's all that matters.
Your logic is not like our earth logic.
sigh again.40. I've never heard of feminism or sexism so I'm just trying to find stuff out about it. Often accompanied by #1 and #2, and every dodge in the book. Often accompanied by coy and leading questions, plus protestions of innocence and pleas of, "But I thought...!" that are in and of themselves insulting. "I thought feminists hated men and wanted to kill them and take over." Not a blog for noobs. If you want to find out about feminism check out my bibliography.
You know, I suddenly feel a great deal of nostalgia for old-style sexism.
Sigh. 41. So I compared a woman to an inanimate object. What's your problem?
Your brain is an inanimate object, doofus.
Sigh 42. You just hate me because I have a penis!
No, you ARE a penis, and therefore all you see are vaginas. Oh, yeah---and you lack the character to inspire hatred. A certain nausea, perhaps...
43. Feminazi.
God, with you around---I wish.
44. You're nuts.
You're a doctor?
Sigh. 45. Women being snarky about sexism against men is just as bad as male sexism against women!
Really? Wanna trade then? Huh? Hey! Where are you going?
46. Sexism makes women all bitchy and cranky. Shut the fuck up already.
That's awfully white of you there, babe.
47. I'm really sensitive and I want to help, which I will demonstrate by talking in platitudes about how people are just people and you're just going to gently point out that snarkiness is not helping anything.
Neither are you, bozo. At least snark makes me feel good.
48. You can't handle the truth! Er, sorry, that's A Few Good Men! You can't tolerate anything but ass kissing!</i>
Yeah, tell that to all the people I disagree with who understand the difference between disagreement and trolling.
49. Dyke!
Actually, part of my family has some German blood, so that would be VAN Dyke to you, bozo.