So last week I wrote about Rebecca Watson, who in turn called attention to the case of a fifteen-year-old girl who'd proudly showed off the atheist book she'd gotten for xmas from her Xtian but understanding grandma. She got deluged with rape threats. On this guy's blog, two trolls argued that Watson was a....whatever frenzied paranoid male hate-fantasy they ever had, and what bugged him was.... this: a woman who flatly told guys that 'Yes, but' and changing the subject is not okay on topics regarding women. Oh, and the fact that people were arguing that a couple of the losers on his blog claimed they were feminist (sounds familiar?) but that they resented the notion that they had to do or say anything when a fifteen-year-old girl was threatened with rape. Because Rebecca Watson is a lying bitch who lies and that asking guys to give anything like the tiniest of shits about women is castrating. Because she's a lying whore. Or something. And if they don't use those exact words, you can't accuse them of it sarcastically, because after all, there's so much fucking room to dissent about a fifteen-year-old girl getting rape threats! It's like cucumber sandwiches at those feministy gatherings, it's just disagreement! Give them their feminist medal already, you castrating bitches. What? Bitch? They meant it affectionately.

Somehow these guys never get this wound up and dissent over other stuff. Just women. Just feminism. They'll argue that there could be extra-terrestrial life, Yetis, decent Republicans....but when it comes to the idea that Rebecca Watson might be a castrating, dick-munching, testicle-frying bitch whore monster who's out to massacre all men suddenly, there's no room for debate. You should give them the title of feminist because they claim they're feminists, and how evil is it to argue that merely calling one's self a feminist is not enough?! What's wrong with you bitches? There is no doubt too small that cannot be blow up to huge proportions about feminism and that in turn is not so terribly important that it takes precedence over anything feminists say. Conversely, there is no heinous charge against feminists that is not probably true. But, really, they're feminists!

Oh, and by the way? If you troll about Rebecca Watson the way trolls trolled and still troll about Rebecca Watson you're a sexist asshole, and there's no two ways about it. And no, you do not get to do a Hugo Schwyzer and name yourself a feminist. It does require something of you, and if you can't be bothered to get off your ass about rape threats then who the fuck wants you? These guys seem really pissed at two things: they can't call themselves whatever they want, and they can't be accepted when they redefine whatever they want.

The first long whinefest is the standard whine about how, "But what if they're ignorant? What if they don't know that that's an insult? What if they don't know it's sexist?"

1. Are they older than 12?

2. Are they on the internet?

3. THEN THEY FUCKING KNOW IT'S SEXIST ALREADY YOU GODDAMNED MORON. That's why they're doing it.

Greta Christine even gets some tedious whiner named Mallorie in her post who not only tries to shift the goalposts from the women-be-gettin'-uppity "#Mencallmethings" but who also whines that it's not men, it's people, which is about as classic derailing as you can get. Seriously, it's just beautiful. You could measure it and it would be almost mathematically perfect, not too much, not too little.

Back at the first topic, we get this this, which is a high point:

I’ve been following along and I won’t argue with anything you’ve said up until “More concerned about it, in fact, than you seem to be about the actual bad behavior in question.”

I’m Jason’s wife and I can tell you with 100% certainty that that is absolutely not the case

*head desk*

Of course, when any piece sets out to criticize feminists for villifying dissent, well, should a person be surprised? The notion that it's not dissent, it's trolling is apparently very hard to grasp. Can't take the word of those feminazis, can one?

It's basically one long tone argument in defense of some esoteric lofty intellectual principles, which amount to: it's too much to ask, bitches! Let's discuss pure intellectual matters in an effort to obscure that he's basically calling common sense villification, which in turn implies that it's too critical, much the way 'dissent' implies intellectual purity, and not sexism or trolling----or both.

I've gotten slammed for being too impatient with the zillionth asshole who comes sauntering into this blog and says, "Now, don't hit me....." or...."Don't you think you could be a little nicer?" or...."All I'm sayin' is, you might drive off people who could be allies!"

Yeah, asshole, if you're an ally, you don't demand concessions and apologies and tightrope walking around your special snowflake ass before you deign to show us how you, personally, can improve feminism. These guys aren't allies. If you push them the slightest bit, you'll bet assholes who whine, "I'm sorry you're so angry and bitter" ---and worse. Plus there's something incredibly creepy about a guy who has to be asked three times to stop doing something.....and still doesn't do it. I swear, some guys seem to think that being asked is a sign of weakness that they can just steamroll over in their anger. And let's face it, anybody who can't stand the very word feminism----or views being asked to give a shit about rape threats as an unreasonable, horrible demand----doesn't have much potential as an ally.

The whole first topic is basically this dude arguing that this is mean and cruel. To men, you know. When it comes to cruelty to women, somehow he has a hard time spotting it---and he doesn't find it in men trying to change the subject from the rape threats to a young girl to whatever their little troll hearts desire. Guys who will believe in Sasquatch suddenly can't believe that there's sexism in the world.

There are some things that are so awful that indifference is simply impossible. That indifference is the mark of somebody who has little to no potential as an ally, but lots of options if he goes into misogyny, which is where somebody like that is headed. They don't care that a girl was threatened with rape. They justified it. Why on earth would I want this person on my side?

A true potential ally will not think sexist terms are cute. Somebody who whines that they're an ally in order to troll will. I find it just about impossible to believe that there's people who could be of an age to navigate the internet who can claim that 'get me a sammich' or whatever else are not sexist. He wants to buy into that type of excuse. Women, of course, don't have patience for that. Nor do we have the time for it. Thanks, more trolls. Haven't seen that before.

Nowhere does this dude consider that maybe, just maybe, women might know more about their lives and thus be better at spotting trolls.

Nope, there might be some potential there. "Third group" refers to guys who could potentially be reached, if women just have patience with all the sexism and bile they spew. The moral: the slightest bit of male support is so valuable that women have to endure any amount of crap in order to get it.

They should, in fact, be vilified for their argumentation because they’ve committed any number of fallacies, exposed any number of personal cognitive biases, and basically shown themselves to be anything but decent human beings by our collective standard of what makes one so. The entirety of my rebuke — if it was anything but a mild rebuke — in my original post was intended to say that they should be called to the carpet for everything that they are, and not one whit more, because if you treat everyone that way, there’s the slim possibility that if a future troll IS that third-grouper, you’ve been consistent in your handling of past instances.

Notice anything missing?

Yeah, give me honest enemies. I've had enough of allies.