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Boy, do some men love talking about false accusations. Ask them for proof, however, and they either mumble about their buddy Joe or their cousin, or some case somewhere, and then grumble, "Well, fine, then, you feminazi @#$!@#!." This comes after you offer links like this: a horrible case where a judge called the gang rape of a prostitute theft, not rape.</a> Or this one, which I noted before: where the victim was tried, and convicted, and made to pay a fine and then the cops caught the man who raped her and at least one other woman. The cops never described why they were skeptical of her story, but you know what? They were wrong. At least three more woman got raped by the same rapist because of it, and when you cite some bullshit statistic about false rape accusations and how, really, truly, honestly you do too get just as mad about false burglary accusations, too, you're lying, at least to yourself. (Nobody else is buying it, either.) And you're helping rapists because by buying into the bullshit about rape victims, you're sending a message to this sort of guy: the guy who says he drugged or threatened or hit a woman, penetrated or groped her while she said no or cried or was frozen in fear, and yet if you use the rape, he denies it. That type of guy. What he did was rape, unambiguously so, but he doesn't like to think of himself as a rapist, and neither do his friends, his buddies, and his family, so when he whines that he's not a rapist, he sounds convincing. He just 'worked a yes out' which is what the gang rapists called it in Peggy Reeves Sanday's book, Fraternity Gang Rape. I bet none of the guys who whine about false rape accusations have ever read it. More importantly, I bet, hell, I know that none of the guys who whine about false rape accusations, or pontificate about how rape victims are stupid, ever seek out facts and truth about rape accusations and rape. Doin so after I say this does not count. Neither do obviously bigoted hate sites which promote the idea that false rape accusations are more numerous than actual rapes or something.

The guy who bridles at the use of the word 'rape' but who commits acts that are rape doesn't stop at one victim, and he's got friends backing him up----and tearing down his victims. And maybe the cops believe him, too, and they accuse his victims of lying. This is called false accusation of false accusation. And if you're really the caring concerned sensitive dude you think you are, you better educate yourself on this.

What people don't realize is that behind the false rape statistics---you know, the ones that some guys like to claim seriously underestimate the rate of false accusations out there---are based on police opinion. Police have a lot of power to do a lot of things, and one of them is to tell women they're lying. But that's not even the beginning.

They can demand that victims take polygraph tests, which is pretty much the modern day version of dunking a witch, especially in Maryland, where polygraph operators---at least at the time of the story---does not monitor operators' standards or training.

Now, imagine you've just been raped and abducted from your house in the night. That's the classic horror story that everyone believes, right? Except for the cops. The cops don't believe you. They want to polygraph you. YOu've just gone through a horrible experience, thought you were going to die, and you were raped. Now the cops are more or less letting you know that they think you're lying. Your heart's pounding, you're freaked out, your blood pressure's skyrocketing, you can't handle everything that's happened to you in the past twelve hours---and now this.

Nobody who wanted to catch rapists would demand this of victims. It's a textbook example of how to scare victims off. Any police department that says they fear false accusations that much needs to be dissolved, its members stripped of their certification, and its police chief investigated, because they have proven they are not interested in protecting the female half of that population.

There's something interesting about that article. It was written around the time of the case, so there's no mention of the coda: the detective who was so certain the victim was lying? Three years later he himself was convicted of sexually assaulting a woman---and was given a light sentence. This guy had the power, while he was a cop, to decide whether to reject victims' complaints or take them seriously. How many victims did he decide were lying? How many rapists did he allow to roam free, raping at will?

How many cops out there are like him? How many DAs? How many judges?

In the De Anza rape case </a> (further links at site) the victim was semi-conscious, covered in vomit, and was actually rescued by three women, who were never even interviewed by the DA, who dismissed charges because there was 'insufficient evidence.' The three rescuers were able to identify players involved, who were in the act of raping the victim, who was trying to avoid at least one assault, but who was outnumbered, and were very clear about what they saw. Those rapists are free to rape more women.

There are many types of rape. Usually they involve physical invasion of some type, which in itself is forceful because it is against the victim's will or by threat or compulsion. But to listen to guys talk---any time rape is brought up----what you'd hear is only one thing: false rape accusation, false rape accusation, false rape accusation. Oh, and one more thing: their idiotic attempts to give women who actually know a thing or two about rape idiotic advice about fantasy situations that seldom if ever happen. These guys whine about two things: false rape accusations and stupid bimbos who go walking after dark in skimpy outfits, and therefore are just asking for it. Not that rape is okay, you know, but what did she expect?

The advice is a close second to the whining about false rape accusations. Every moron who gives out what they think is stunning advice on how to avoid being raped is basing his advice on absolutely nothing, but the advice, such as it is, is always incredibly stupid, and always assumes women are idiots. Then they whine about gee, it's hopeless, there's always going to be rape.

No, there isn't. If you would just shut up a minute about telling women shit we already know, you'd realize that you're leaving out the rapist. It's funny how the same guys who are obsessed with false rape accusations often do that. Nobody wants to discuss actual rapists. Well, unfortunately for you, I do. And if you try and pull off the same victim-blaming shit in the comments that happened yesterday, I won't be nice.

You know how you stop rape? For one thing, shut the fuck up about short skirts, dark alleys, and getting drunk with strange guys. For another thing, shut the fuck up and listen. Take notes. Then shut the fuck up. Take some more notes. Read a book. Read a few more. You won't like them. That's not the point. Rape victims are getting violently attacked every day, every minute, in this country, and you're whining that somebody used harsh language with your whiny ass. For every incident noted above, how much fire do you think there is under that smoke? So when you come charging into a topic about rape and whine about false rape accusations, you're whining about something that has less chance of happening to you than getting hit by a plane during a lightning storm. Why then, do some men so obsess over false rape accusations?

I have plenty of male friends. They all have two key components: they're not sexist, and they're not weak guys.

None of them fears false rape accusations. Why's that? They've never done anything that makes them worry.

Guys whine about false rape accusations either because they feel guilty or because, yes, they really are the whiniest shits you can imagine. When somebody's having their arm amputated, basically, these guys whine about how they might one day get a papercut while they're wearing thick leather gloves. That's how rare false rape accusations are.

R.A.I.N.N. estimates that sixty percent of all rapes go unreported. So of the small number of rapes that do get reported, you're afraid that you're going to be accused of one. And that's not even taking into the pathetic conviction rate. You're afraid of getting hit by a falling plane that got struck by lightning in a clear blue sky and then hit by a car.

Some estimates of the percentage of rapes that aren't reported range up to ninety percent. That's probably because the victims have seen assholes online or in real life blaming either real victims, or that imaginary victims that certain people like so much. Basically, that imaginary victim is a slut, so she asked for it, and they're basically okay with that, unless it causes the rapist poor innocent dude some inconvenience. A certain percentage of the male population literally cannot comprehend reality when it comes to rape. They read, "She was attacked by her longtime boyfriend while wearing a long skirt," and the next thing out of their mouths is, "She shouldn't have been out drinking wearing that skirt."

If you want to learn about what rape really is, here is your reading list. Until you have read at least one of these books, shut the fuck up and take notes.

Susan Brownmiller, Against Our Will.

Tim Beneke, Men on Rape.

Helen Benedict, Virgin or Vamp, How the Press Covers Sex Crimes. Actually, it's not just about the press, as it does a devastating job of pointing out the sexism of everyday speech.

Peggy Reeves SAnday, Fraternity Gang Rape and A Woman Scorned.

People frequently approach rape with this attitude of helplessness: "I'm so sorry to be a member of this gender." Why? Get up and get to work. A lot of these rapist apologists won't listen to women. They'll listen to you.

If rapists got one tenth of the shit that women and rape victims get, then rape would drop by a huge percentage. Yet many men are extremely reluctant to give up those myths and their general ignorance. Because it's comfortable. Ultimately, they place their comfort over womens' safety, and that's the best case scenario. I'm not even getting into the guys who get hostile when women stop being ladylike about rape, rapist apologists, rape myths, the guys who are obsessed with false accusations, and the guys who just won't shut up. It amounts to, "But my future potential probably won't happen booboo is more important than your amputation! Why won't you listen? Why won't you shut up and stop bleeding all over me?"

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witch_wolf
May. 19th, 2011 04:04 pm (UTC)
Polygraph
1) Polygraph evidence is no longer used in criminal cases in most states, so much so that it's very rarely used.
2) Polygraph test is not 100% accurate (I think that I read that it's less than 50% accurate if that) and can be manipulated. (I think that there is a recent study on the accuracy of the test, I can't remember where I read it)
3) In some states it's illegal for Employers to ask an employee to submit to a polygraph test.

Polygraph is not a science!

Not to mention that someone can after some research learn how to trick a polygraph!
ginmar
May. 19th, 2011 04:05 pm (UTC)
Re: Polygraph
I've written about this before. It's basically cold reading, dressed up with some bells and whistles.
realinterrobang
May. 19th, 2011 06:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Polygraph
Locally, it's basically impossible to get a lawyer to represent you if they find out you've voluntarily undergone a polygraph, because of the way the police here use it. Interestingly and in total contrast to similar American shows, I was watching some episodes of a British true-crime police procedural and they never used a polygraph.
auditorydamage
May. 19th, 2011 05:39 pm (UTC)

The next time I encounter a rape apologist who manages to both blame the victims and accuse them of being liars, I may whip their own tortured logic back at them, as a baseball pitcher whips a fastball at a disliked opponent's head, and ask them for some "common sense" (such a fungible, flexible term) ways men can avoid false rape allegations. It will be interesting to see if they're able to treat victims of false allegations with the same degree of patronization and condescension that they do victims of rape. For that matter, any response at all will be revelatory, if only to see how far they are willing to argue that women should accept living in fear of men and be expected to act accordingly, while men should be allowed to do as much with women as thy want without fear of consequences.

silvergryphyn
May. 19th, 2011 05:56 pm (UTC)
I just wanted to say that this and your other recent posts are so full of awesome (writing that is). You utterly blow me away with your passion and eloquence despite dealing with a truly absurd number of morons and physical issues in RL.
ad_kay
May. 19th, 2011 07:33 pm (UTC)
Man, your DKos diary had some first-rate false-accusation whines comments on it. Along with the usual "women need to be careful and watch how they dress" bullshit.
ginmar
May. 19th, 2011 08:23 pm (UTC)
Oh, christ, now the guys who are upset at the tone are coming in, and they're not upset in the slightest at the truly horrible victim blamers in the comments.

And the asshole who calls himself HMI sent some poor woman's real name and her father's obit as proof that the horrible story he told about his 'friend' was true! Because that proves that he's not an asshole.
idemandjustice
May. 19th, 2011 10:43 pm (UTC)
Was there a link to that somewhere? I'd love to see it.
ms_daisy_cutter
May. 20th, 2011 12:04 am (UTC)
dK is full of fauxgressive men. In other news, water is wet.
I've seen some of those asswipes in action before. Khereva regularly derails every feminist discussion. He once put up a post about how his "beloved" didn't need any of that stinkin' feminism. He's an Assange fanboi, too. Wham Bam is an odious troll who ought to be banned outright. He was shitting all over this diary as well, according to someone else in the thread. And Bensdad is a clueless numpty who regularly wrings his hands about "civility," but had no problem recommending a comment that decried "political correctness."

The rest of them, I'd either never seen before or never seen acting like an asshole before. I'm just surprised that Uberbah, who never fails to troll a sexism or racism diary, was AWOL.
ad_kay
May. 20th, 2011 01:50 pm (UTC)
Re: dK is full of fauxgressive men. In other news, water is wet.
Apparently "Wham Bam" is a woman. I went and looked at that diary--she IS shitting all over it.
ginmar
May. 20th, 2011 06:55 pm (UTC)
Re: dK is full of fauxgressive men. In other news, water is wet.
He talks about penetrating a woman. I mean, thanks for sharing.
ad_kay
May. 20th, 2011 07:05 pm (UTC)
Re: dK is full of fauxgressive men. In other news, water is wet.
I realize now I misread one of the comments and thought WB was female.
Jarred Harris
May. 19th, 2011 07:52 pm (UTC)
Good post.
Given that I have a female acquaintance who just recently had two men (turns out they were registered sex offenders) try to snatch her off a busy city street in broad daylight, this was an interesting read. Fortunately for this woman, there was a police officer present who (1) saw the whole incident and (2) had the integrity to protect her and arrest the men.

One of the things that surprised me about her experience was that the men tried telling the officer that they were friends with my acquaintance despite the fact that (1) she was standing right there saying otherwise and (2) the officer had just seen them grab her and attempt to shove her into a van with his own eyes. At the time, it struck me as a stupid thing to claim. But given what you're saying here about many officer's tendency to accuse women of lying, I guess it wasn't as stupid of them as I thought.
ginmar
May. 19th, 2011 08:29 pm (UTC)
Re: Good post.
Police officers often have this mental image of the 'good victim' in their head. If you're not one of them, you're fucked.

And police officers, like the military, often contain large numbers of rapists and wife beaters themselves.
seithman
May. 19th, 2011 08:44 pm (UTC)
Re: Good post.
By the way, this is Jarred again. I forgot I actually had an LJ account.

From what I've heard about police officers in other contexts, I can't say I'm surprised by your second point. Just infuriated.

You're first point surprises me slightly more, but infuriates me about the same. As if there's such a thing as "bad victim." (I'm assuming that "bad" in this context means "someone who deserves it/was asking for it.")
ginmar
May. 19th, 2011 08:58 pm (UTC)
Re: Good post.
"Bad" also includes: loud, crying, upset, angry, and so on.
auditorydamage
May. 19th, 2011 08:58 pm (UTC)
Another good book about how the police treat rape investigations and survivors: The Story of Jane Doe.

She sued the Toronto police for, effectively, using women as bait to catch a rapist... and *won*. She's still active in community organizations here today, and just thinking of what strength it must have taken to fight the police and perservere brings a lump to my throat.
(Anonymous)
May. 21st, 2011 08:43 am (UTC)
Re: Good post.
"One of the things that surprised me about her experience was that the men tried telling the officer that they were friends with my acquaintance despite the fact that (1) she was standing right there saying otherwise and"

That's the same thing that happened to that Katie Calloway. She was Phillip Garrido's rape victim in the 1970s. Garrido was sentenced to 50 years in her case, but only served 10. He was let out in time to kidnap poor little Jaycee Dugard. In Calloway's case, a cop was suspicious about her car being parked outside a storage unit in the middle of nowhere (Garrido was raping Calloway inside the storage unit). When the cop interrupted Garrido (after raping Calloway for several hours), Garrido tried to tell the cop he was Calloway's boyfriend while Calloway was screaming, "NO, I'm not, I'm not!" Eerie parallel. This sort of thing must happen more than usual.
ginmar
May. 21st, 2011 04:46 pm (UTC)
Re: Good post.
Jeffrey dahmer successfullt retrieved one of his victims from police custody that way. When I got mugged, bystanders explained their indifference by saying they thought he (the mugger) was my boyfriend. There's some horrible assumptions about relationships that people have.
(Anonymous)
May. 21st, 2011 07:20 pm (UTC)
Re: Good post.
"Jeffrey dahmer successfullt retrieved one of his victims from police custody that way"

Yeah, I remember that. I think he was an asian kid who couldn't speak english or something. I went to school with one of Dahmer's victims. He was on my school bus, but a few grades a head of me. He was a minority in a foster home, and he slipped through the system. I don't think anyone in my town even knew this kid was missing until after they saw his photo published as one of Dahmer's victims. At least, that's how I found out. I didn't know the kid very well, but it gave me nightmares to think what he went through.
ginmar
May. 21st, 2011 07:25 pm (UTC)
Re: Good post.
Oh, the kid spoke English, but apparently the cops didn't want to get involved in a 'gay domestic', especially on behalf of an Asian kid. And this kid was obviously underage, which just makes it more revolting.
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