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Fun facts about the Roman Polanski case

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1. He raped a thirteen year old girl and admitted it.

2. He agreed to plead down from the several felonies he could have been convicted of to a lesser charge of 'having sex with an underage child.'

3. He did not 'serve' his time. He was held for psychological evaluation. He bolted before he was sentenced because the 42 day sentence--much cited and mis-cited---was not a certainty.

4. His attorneys suddenly discovered concern for the victim---as long as it was about the other people she'd allegedly 'had sex' with. They wanted those people prosecuted, presumably before Polanski. They used this to make sure the public knew the girl wasn't a virgin.

5. Polanski fled to Europe because evidently the only people he can fight are thirteen-year-old girls, and even then only if they're drugged and drunk.

6. Polanski raped a child.

7. Polanski's history as a Holocaust victim did not lead him to rape. It led him to use the Holocaust as an excuse for rape.

8. Polanski is not, nor ever has been, 'in exile.' He's French by birth. His so-called exile consists of being unable to return to the US and pick up his awards and presumably attack American girls. He's living in his home country.

9. The rationalizations about the case---"Oh, everybody did this that then," say far more about the speaker than about the times. Rape is rape. There is no occasion on which it is ever okay. There was no time during which it was ever okay. If this girl is not safe and respected, then no adult women are safe, either.

10. This is not the time to discuss statuatory rape laws and how fucked up they are. They aren't. This is the perfect case: the victim was thirteen. Polanski was forty-four. He isolated her, drugged her, raped her repeatedly.

11. The girl's mother is not to blame. The girl's mother did not rape the girl. Polanski did. It was Polanski's choice to rape the girl. Was the mother supposed to know? Seriously, what was she supposed to know? Polanski said it was for a 'photo shoot'. Did he have a reputation as a rapist? Even a reputation as a womanizer does not make one a rapist. The victim was not a woman. She was a thirteen-year-old girl. it's very likely that had either refused, they might have been blacklisted.

12. The age of consent in France is fifteen. This still makes Polanski a creepy stunted man who can't handle adult women. Even in 'liberated' France, what he did was a crime.

13. He was a shitty husband to Sharon Tate, who wanted to get married and have babies. He has also used her death as an excuse to justify the rape. In short, Polanski seems to use just about everything as an excuse to rape little girls.

14. One does not 'have sex with' a thirteen year old girl if one is 44. It is rape.

15. Numerous celebrities have shown that womens' rights are just so much shit under their feet by signing a declaration about poor Polanski: among them: Debra Winger, Pedro Almovadar, and so on. Surprisingly, Kevin Smith has declared flatly that it's rape, as has one of the guys from Heroes: Gary Grundig. More on this revolting development from Shakesville. As, yes, this is the new, grumpy ginmar: go look it up. Shakesville.

16. The documentary that some people are citing is a piece of propaganda. It discusses Polanski's background, but not the judge's: he was such a good student than he went directly to Harvard from high school. They also discuss the judge's sex life but not Polanski's, except to wink at it. Reportedly, the judge had two girlfriends, which has nothing to do with his morals, unless there was something non-consensual about it. Also, it's incredibly hypocritical of Polanski's apologists to take this route, because Polanski was and might still be the sort of guy who dates women three or four decades younger than him. (His current wife is forty years younger than him. They have two children, one of whom is a daughter about the age of the girl he raped.) The documentary devotes a great deal of time to the judge, but in fact he granted Polanski permission to travel to Europe---again, not exile, but home---to do a movie. It was when Polanski proved the prison shrinks wrong---"Unlikely to offend again"---that the judge indicated he was extremely displeased and disinclined to abide by the original suggested sentence.

17. It is not puritanical to want to make sure that men in their forties do not prey on girls in their teens. In fact, it is the very definition of sexual liberation to free girls--and boys---from the possibility of such a situation. People who stand for Roman Polanski are supporting the notion of sexual exploitation of children by adult men.

18. Sexual liberation does not mean 'men get to do whatever they want to whomever they want, and moreso if they're famous and rich and successfully avoid prosecution for a crime they already plead guilty to.

19. Sexual liberation means that people can sexually experiment in a consensual non-harmful non-exploitive environment. A 44-year-old man drugging and raping a thirteen year old girl is not liberating. Liberation has to go both ways for it to be liberating. One cannot, for example, liberate the powerful without enslaving the powerless.

20. Drugging a thirteen-year-old girl is a crime. Forcing alcohol upon such a girl is a crime. When a girl says no it is a crime. Doing all three ought to be an enhanced felony, as crimes are being committed to further other crimes. Instead there are people calling this 'a mistake.' It is a mistake, for example, to leave one's fly unzipped.
It is not a mistake to open a bottle of pills and force one on a young girl.
It is not a mistake to open a bottle of champagne and make a girl drink from it.
It is not a mistake to ignore the fact that a young girl is saying 'no' when one rapes her.

21. Drugging a girl who's of age is a crime as well.

22. Raping anyone of any age who says no is rape. Full stop.

23. Forcing drugs on someone is illegal, full stop.

24. Raping someone is not something one does by accident. If one does not have the enthusiastic consent of one's partners, if one regards unconscious or drunken women as sexual opportunities, one is a rapist.

25. It does not matter if 'everyone' did drugs or drank it up during the Seventies. Roman Polanski is accused of doing these things to an underage girl---which is illegal in and of itself--in order to further his plan to rape her, which plan of action ought to be illegal in and of itself. Rape is never okay. What Roman Polanski did was rape.

26. It is not okay to force drugs and alcohol on of-age women, either, whether to rape them or not.

27. It is not okay to rape someone when they're of the age of consent, either.

28. It is not okay to rape someone because they want to work for you.

29. It is not okay to say 'I didn't know how old she was." If you don't know, find out. If you think she's younger, change your plans. Why is this so horrible? Seriously, why? "But I won't get to fuck her!" is not exactly a great excuse. You're not being deprived of food, water, shelter, employment, or education. Why is it that some men rank immediate sexual gratification as being necessary to their survival?

30. It is not okay to say about a thirteen-year-old girl, or anyone: she asked for it, she wanted it, she should have known better, she was flirting, she was experienced, etc., etc,. especially when one is forty four one's self. It is not okay to say this about any rape victim. Also, if the accused or alleged---or, in this case, admitted rapist says this, common sense would dictate that the smell of self-interest in the air would alert people to the notion that an admitted rapist might not the best person to talk about his victim.

31. No jokes about prison rape, thank you very much.

32. If you say, "I'm not...blah blah blah....but........" In fact, you are. Don't whine when people call you on your shit. In fact, don't be shocked when people call you an asshole. You are.

33. Do not say, "Sorry, but..."

34. Do not use any of the items on the preceding list on this blog. Period.

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ed_dirt
Sep. 29th, 2009 09:16 pm (UTC)
The rationalizations about the case---"Oh, everybody did this that then," say far more about the speaker than about the times.

That's bullshit. I was 19 in 1977, so i remember it well. It was not acceptable for anyone other than maybe 13 year-old boys to mess with 13 year-old girls.
berkeleyfarm
Sep. 29th, 2009 09:38 pm (UTC)
Maybe it's my Holy Roller memories, but 13 was considered pretty young to be having sex back in the day. (I'm a couple of years younger than you.) But yeah, with fellows around their own age.

Also, there seems to have been an awful lot of adult males sexually abusing girls and using their social position to keep everything quiet. Not just a Hollywood thing.

Mind you, it wasn't "okay" except in abuser-minds, and a lot of people who did it have been brought to justice since.
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rozasharn
Sep. 29th, 2009 09:21 pm (UTC)
I think you meant to write "17. It is not puritanical to want to make sure that men in their forties DON'T prey on girls in their teens."

I am not surprised about Almodovar. I watched "Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down" once and it was sick.
ginmar
Sep. 29th, 2009 09:25 pm (UTC)
It's just amazing to me how sexist so-called progressives are.
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supermouse
Sep. 29th, 2009 09:21 pm (UTC)
Thank you.
berkeleyfarm
Sep. 29th, 2009 09:32 pm (UTC)
thanks, Gin.
nonsecateur
Sep. 29th, 2009 09:32 pm (UTC)
I don't- I can't.

RAPED. CHILD.
RAPED. CHILD.
RAPED. CHILD.

Good god almighty, how do people not..?
I mean, I knew what people thought about rape victims. I never thought so many people would be getting behind a CHILD RAPIST. I thought child molestation was the last great evil that nobody would ever support you for. Stupid, really. He's a 'talented' man with a lot of friends. Of course people would fall all over him.
ginmar
Sep. 29th, 2009 09:36 pm (UTC)
It's easy when you don't believe women are human: you just stop pretending that girls won't become women one day. Especially when it enables you to think you're an honorary man or that that girl did something wrong. Simple!
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nonnycat
Sep. 29th, 2009 09:59 pm (UTC)
It makes me sick that there are people defending someone who raped a child. I'm moderately close to this, as good friends of mine just got the fucking bastard who raped their daughter from the time she was 9-11 convicted and sentenced to 50yrs. You would think "RAPE" and "CHILD" would be pretty black and fucking white, but apparently people are fucking assholes. I should've learned by now.

There are cases where crying out against the statuatory rape laws are appropriate. Cases where the boyfriend (or girlfriend) turned 18 a month or two before their 17yo partner... cases where both kids are 15... yes, that's where statuatory rape laws are fucked up. 44yo man raping a 13yo is not.

The guy admitted to the crime. Why people are trying to defend him.... is fucking beyond me.
slythwolf
Sep. 30th, 2009 07:30 am (UTC)
I was going to say, I hope your friends' daughter is okay. But of course she isn't, I mean, what. I hope she has the support she needs and I want to blow something up for what that asshole did to her.

Re: the limitations of statutory rape laws, yes, exactly. In some states there are laws now about how if one party is within X years below the age of consent and the other party is within Y years above it and the difference in the two parties' ages is within Z years it isn't rape, and I can get behind that. It seems to me a lot of the time when the two parties in a relationship are straddling the age of consent line like that the problem comes in when the younger party's parents don't like the older party and want to break them up.
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ex_drakyn
Sep. 29th, 2009 10:17 pm (UTC)
Yes to everything you say.
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angelwings01
Sep. 30th, 2009 03:14 am (UTC)
Yeah I find this pretty sad too.
2.

I hope more people speak out against this. I know plenty of people are making themselves known as supporters.
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violaswamp
Sep. 29th, 2009 10:23 pm (UTC)
OMG you puritan! 13-year-old girls have sexuality, too, and it's liek totes unfair to deny them the right to sleep with men old enough to be their fathers! (Drugs? What drugs? Oh, well, she probably wanted to take them anyway). Here in France/Switzerland/Childrapetopia, we're FAR more sophisticated about these things and wouldn't DREAM of punishing a great artist just because he fucked a 13-year-old girl against her will.

/sarcasm

slythwolf
Sep. 30th, 2009 07:32 am (UTC)
Right, and she said no all those times because it's all part of the sick game women/girls play where they try to make you think they don't want it when secretly they do, because they don't want anyone to think they're a slut but secretly they really are!
grail76
Sep. 29th, 2009 10:34 pm (UTC)
Did you really have to go beyond, 1.?

I kind of get stuck there.
ginmar
Sep. 29th, 2009 10:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah, alas, I did.
rabidsamfan
Sep. 29th, 2009 10:40 pm (UTC)
You know what burns my britches here? If he'd just stuck around and taken his punishment, instead of dodging it for decades, none of the current fuss would be happening at all, and the girl he raped wouldn't be having to go through all the publicity mess all over again. He created the current situation, all by himself, and if it kinda messed up the film festival, it's still his own fault.
slythwolf
Sep. 30th, 2009 07:36 am (UTC)
Yes, this, exactly. Like, here is the thing, I am not shy or quiet about my views on rape (you know, the views every decent human being ought to have), but I am the kind of person who feels that once someone serves their sentence for a crime, the matter is over and done with. (You know, unless there is bullshit going on in the justice system and someone gets the kind of sentence that's just a joke, like, say, four 18-year-old boys men on a high school sports team get 6 months of community service for pouring alcohol down the throat of a 15-year-old girl, taking turns raping her, and videotaping the whole thing. Not that that happened to a classmate of mine or anything. Not that I'm still pissed off about it ten years later. Why would you think that?)
sydneycat
Sep. 29th, 2009 10:48 pm (UTC)
Yeah...what really makes me sick beyond everything you said is how France and Poland are trying to make this into an international incident. WTF?! Seriously, if he weren't a big name director his ass would have been on a plane by now. I think people are getting caught up in the fact that the girl (now woman) 'forgave' him. That doesn't matter! He fled the jurisdiction to avoid prosecution. That's a crime in and of itself and completely separate from the rape if you really feel the need to try and say the rape isn't important anymore. 'Course I'd still think someone who thought that was a sexist ass but still...he committed *multiple* crimes. And flaunted it for over 30 years!
nerdycellist
Sep. 29th, 2009 11:06 pm (UTC)
Hasn't Poland just made a law to chemically castrate pedophiles? Because I can't keep track of whether they're pro- or anti- child rape.
nonsecateur
Sep. 29th, 2009 11:10 pm (UTC)
Probably anti child rape in theory.
In reality? When the rapist is their friend, or someone with artistic talent, they're probably as pro child rape as just about everyone else.
rantinan
Sep. 29th, 2009 11:16 pm (UTC)
All of hte above adn then some.
cheshire_bitten
Sep. 29th, 2009 11:34 pm (UTC)
hell yes
stardragonca
Sep. 29th, 2009 11:36 pm (UTC)
If he'd drugged and raped Jane Goodall, he'd be just as guilty.
And if the child had been sober and willing, he'd be just as guilty.
This is a a misogyny thing. And it's a class thing.
jaydeyn_sitari
Sep. 29th, 2009 11:57 pm (UTC)

#7 is one that's making me very cranky. Bad stuff happening in your life is not an excuse or justification for you then turning around being the bad stuff in someone else's life. Ever.

Though really, beyond point one, everyone should STFU. People disgust me.

(also, it's Greg Grunberg, the guy from Heroes, who's always been a decent person, at least what I've seen of him.)

:)
Jaydeyn
ginamariewade
Sep. 30th, 2009 01:26 am (UTC)
Thanks for pointing this out - I was going "Gary Grundig? Who is Gary Grundig?"
witch_wolf
Sep. 30th, 2009 12:09 am (UTC)
He raped a child - He stalked her, he planned it, he wanted her no matter what.

He drugged her, fed her alcohol - then rapped her over and over while she cried and begged and begged and begged...

but it doesn't matter --

I am disappointed in the people who are defending him.

He raped a child -


erbie
Sep. 30th, 2009 12:13 am (UTC)
Yes, YES, YES!

I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. It's really very simple.
belledame222
Sep. 30th, 2009 12:24 am (UTC)
Yup.
adelheide
Sep. 30th, 2009 12:33 am (UTC)
I watched the news and some Bavarian douchebag pal of his (Otto Something-or-other), said, "I don't understand why they are doing this. He made one little mistake."

Dear Otto,

Screw you. I'm sure you'd feel a whole lot different if the 13-year-old were your daughter. If you wouldn't want it to happen to your child, you shouldn't want it to happen to any.

Asshole.

No love,

Me
ginmar
Sep. 30th, 2009 01:02 am (UTC)
How in fuck do you mistakenly give someone drugs and alcohol and mistakenly penetrate them God only knows how many times?
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hazel75
Sep. 30th, 2009 12:43 am (UTC)
Big fat honking WORD to everything you've said above.

I'm glad to see that at least one Hollywood-ite (Kevin Smith) isn't cool with Polanski. I've been dismayed by the outpouring of support for Polanski -- lots of folks going on my boycott list.

And I don't remember a lot of people wanting to just let it go when it's other crimes that happened "a long" time ago. We still prosecuted Byron De La Beckwith. We still prosecuted Nazi war criminals who were caught when elderly. Why does Polanski deserve a pass on his rape?
ginmar
Sep. 30th, 2009 01:03 am (UTC)
Because it's rape, duh. Who gives a shit about some little nobody? Your class system at work.
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sweill
Sep. 30th, 2009 02:03 am (UTC)
And have you seen that list of people who want to "Free Polanski"? I used to respect some of them.

Right now I want to smack each one of them. Especially the women and anyone with a daughter. WTF, people???
witch_wolf
Sep. 30th, 2009 02:36 am (UTC)
I have no respect for them either. They make me wanna hurl...
ex_rita
Sep. 30th, 2009 02:12 am (UTC)
32. There were millions of Holocaust survivors who were able to process what happened to them - without raping a single person!
pbrim
Sep. 30th, 2009 02:26 am (UTC)
There are those who said that he's not a pedo, this is just only time he did this. I say it's the only time he got caught.

He had an "affair" with Nastassja Kinski, star of "Tess", when she was 15 and he was 50. She may have been as young as 13, her birth date is in dispute. She never claimed it was not consensual, but later in life, she said in an interview, "If I had had somebody to protect me or if I had felt more secure about myself, I would not have accepted certain things. And inside it was just tearing me apart".

Also there is the fact that all of his wives have been in their early 20's. He clearly likes them young. There was a lot of talk at the time of other girls who were bought off, or just too afraid of the big name director to make a fuss. Talk proves nothing, but there is certainly enough of a pattern in his choice of women to add credence.
amethyst_hunter
Sep. 30th, 2009 06:52 am (UTC)
I say it's the only time he got caught.

THIS so freaking much. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the real outrage on behalf of the Polanskidiots is not the fact that he raped a child - it's the fact that he got caught doing it and therefore ruined it for the rest of the sickos.

I would really, really, REALLY love to be the chlorine in the gene pool right about now...
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