ginmar ([info]ginmar) wrote,
@ 2008-05-12 00:43:00
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Entry tags:assholes, trolls

How to be a troll in one easy lesson
Tell her this:

I've seen some stupid shit written on the internet, but claiming that the United States is misogynist has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. I'm not going to say that being a woman in the US is easy, as that would be equally ridiculous, but to say what you did when there are societies that thrive on misogyny is just mind boggling to me. Open a history book or do some research
about the laws in a few other countries before you post something like that, maybe you won't look
like such a tool next time.



Do I really need to go into this? My favorite is a tie between: YOU'RE LUCKY, BITCH! and how he doesn't get that telling a woman that she doesn't know anything about her own history and country is not just a teensy bit sexist and assholish.



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[info]stardragonca
2008-05-12 05:52 am UTC (link)
And wrong.

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[info]ginmar
2008-05-12 05:56 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I figure sexist and assholish covered that, but I need some more adjectives.

Then again, I've got some white boy feigning horror that white guys are not the victims they feel they are. Oh noes! Being at the top of the heap is so awful!! Yet somehow they never want to trade, learn, or listen.

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(no subject) - [info]stardragonca, 2008-05-12 06:03 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 06:10 am UTC (Expand)
*is twelve* - [info]commodorified, 2008-05-12 06:26 am UTC (Expand)
Re: *is twelve* - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 06:30 am UTC (Expand)
Re: *is twelve* - [info]commodorified, 2008-05-12 07:00 am UTC (Expand)
Re: *is twelve* - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 07:02 am UTC (Expand)
Re: *is twelve* - [info]commodorified, 2008-05-12 07:06 am UTC (Expand)
Re: *is twelve* - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 07:16 am UTC (Expand)
This is the Michael Leunig Duck test of how tired at least one of us is... - [info]commodorified, 2008-05-12 07:29 am UTC (Expand)
Re: This is the Michael Leunig Duck test of how tired at least one of us is... - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 07:30 am UTC (Expand)
Re: This is the Michael Leunig Duck test of how tired at least one of us is... - [info]commodorified, 2008-05-12 07:34 am UTC (Expand)
Re: This is the Michael Leunig Duck test of how tired at least one of us is... - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 07:46 am UTC (Expand)
Re: This is the Michael Leunig Duck test of how tired at least one of us is... - [info]commodorified, 2008-05-12 07:57 am UTC (Expand)
Re: *is twelve* - [info]stardragonca, 2008-05-12 01:49 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]azzy23, 2008-05-12 07:11 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 07:14 am UTC (Expand)

[info]anne_jumps
2008-05-12 12:49 pm UTC (link)
Well, of course HE can't be wrong, silly!

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[info]rantinan
2008-05-12 06:14 am UTC (link)
there is now another face shaped dint in my metal desk.



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[info]ginmar
2008-05-12 06:15 am UTC (link)
Yeah, it's fun, isn't it?

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(no subject) - [info]rantinan, 2008-05-12 06:27 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]stardragonca, 2008-05-12 01:52 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]nimbrethil
2008-05-12 06:29 am UTC (link)
Lovely. The whole "it's worse everywhere else!" excuse.

When are people going to learn that other nations being worse doesn't make this nation okay? Honor cleansings over there don't okay rapes here.

Is that what we're reduced to?

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[info]nimbrethil
2008-05-12 06:31 am UTC (link)
where is this?

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[info]bibliofilen
2008-05-12 06:55 am UTC (link)
Where is this?

Maybe I should show up with the amazing info that here in Sweden, supposedly the most equal country on the planet, misogyny is alive and well. Also like how he contradicts himself: being a woman in the US isn't easy but that is due to all those other things that in NO way has to do with misogyny.. Perhaps he need to learn about the laws in a few countries, including the US, before he comments on the issue..

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[info]puglette
2008-05-12 10:58 am UTC (link)
What's always so surprising to me is how damned MANY of this type there are. How did they get here???

If I routinely ignored this sort of asshole 20 years ago and was far more selective in the guys I dated/fucked, why didn't everyone else?

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[info]puglette
2008-05-12 11:00 am UTC (link)
Actually, there's the answer. WOMEN- Do not fuck the assholes. No matter how much they beg/demand/cajole/bully.

Eventually, the remaining ones will die off.

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(no subject) - [info]stardragonca, 2008-05-12 01:54 pm UTC (Expand)
no dancing - [info]jeric_synergy, 2008-05-12 07:32 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: no dancing - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 07:37 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: no dancing - [info]jeric_synergy, 2008-05-12 07:39 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: no dancing - [info]nimbrethil, 2008-05-12 08:46 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: no dancing - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 08:59 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: no dancing - [info]nimbrethil, 2008-05-12 09:06 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: no dancing - [info]nimbrethil, 2008-05-13 04:47 am UTC (Expand)
Re: no dancing - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-13 04:56 am UTC (Expand)
...and Bingo was his name-o!
[info]bellatrys
2008-05-12 11:51 am UTC (link)
Feminist Bingo The Sequel

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[info]ceitnicangus
2008-05-12 01:36 pm UTC (link)
LOL Ginmar -- didn't you know that men have given you these rights, and you better be thankful that they gave you these rights, and there is no such thing anymore as sexism.

Gee Gin--- you should really know better. *Giggle*

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[info]nimbrethil
2008-05-12 04:05 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. We'd better all be grateful and start forking over some cocksucking action...they can take those rights away any time they feel like it!

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[info]pyjamallama
2008-05-12 01:43 pm UTC (link)
Oprah says if you're a woman in the United States, you're one of the luckiest women in the world. My husband on the other hand, is saying now that women are just naturally inferior, it's always been that way and there's nothing you can do about the way the world is going to treat you because of it.

I'm pissed at myself for making Oprah and my husband such sources. But that's what it is for the moment and I'm not going to shrink away from it.

I'm reorganizing and letting my stupid hang out.

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[info]ginmar
2008-05-12 03:38 pm UTC (link)
I'd stop watching Oprah and tell the hubbie that what he's full of needs to fertilize the garden. If he's not careful, that's exactly what you should tell him you'll do.

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[info]nimbrethil
2008-05-12 04:14 pm UTC (link)
The thing about women in America being the luckiest women in the world is probably true. I don't think any reasonable American woman would deny that on the whole we are better off than women in third-world countries, which is where that comparison is typically aimed. And yeah, the average American woman is loads better off than, say, the average Iraqi woman.

On the other hand, wealthy Middle-eastern women are probably a damn sight better off than poor American women. And if you compare American women with women in nations like, say, Norway or certain other wealthy, 1st World areas, I'm not sure the claim still holds true.

The fact that all of us here are typing on computers that access the internet is proof of our privilege, and yeah, there's a LOT of women in the world who don't have access to things that many of the poorest Americans take for granted.

That, however, does not make the lives of poor Americans all sunshine and roses.

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[info]expatriette
2008-05-12 02:05 pm UTC (link)
Just because it isn't written in the law doesn't mean it isn't socially acceptable. It's unfortunate, I think this person doesn't see the misogyny in their own condescending post.

How can you tell a woman that experiences and sees sexism against her that it's not there? Instead of going into denial because the claims make you upset or uncomfortable, why not try to see it from her perspective? If you're so into the USA being a free country of equality, why not investigate any claims that say it is otherwise? Try to help make the country better?

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[info]ginmar
2008-05-12 03:38 pm UTC (link)
You're using logic. Didn't I warn you about that? If not, consider this your warning.

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[info]nimbrethil
2008-05-12 04:16 pm UTC (link)
It's the comparison of extremes. Most American women don't have to concern themselves with the fear of honor cleansings, so while the focus is on that extreme, the more invisible aspects of misogyny get swept under the rug.

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[info]kyra_neko_rei
2008-05-12 03:35 pm UTC (link)
It's too early in the morning for this.

And, seriously, if the whole "it could be worse, so it's OK" thing is an actual argument worth a damn, I should be able to snag a Mustang GT from the local car dealership and point out that it could be worse, I could have stolen a Lamborghini, that means it's OK and I get to keep it, right?

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[info]nimbrethil
2008-05-12 04:18 pm UTC (link)
I think it's more that instead of stealing a car from a dealership, you could have whacked some poor guy in the head and stolen his Mustang. Sure, you stole a car, but nobody died, right? So what you did just wasn't so bad. Surely they'll let you keep the car out of gratitude you didn't choose to kill anyone over it.

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(no subject) - [info]kyra_neko_rei, 2008-05-12 05:00 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]puglette, 2008-05-12 08:50 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]puglette
2008-05-12 08:46 pm UTC (link)
I can't even read your comment, kyra, because I so utterly love the kitten icon!! But will try... where the hell did you find such a fab photo??

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(no subject) - [info]kyra_neko_rei, 2008-05-12 11:08 pm UTC (Expand)
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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 11:40 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]greeneyedkzin
2008-05-12 04:30 pm UTC (link)
That's just stupid.

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[info]stardragonca
2008-05-12 06:13 pm UTC (link)
AAAHH! You said the Forbidden Word! Aiiiiiiiiie!

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[info]gypsypet
2008-05-12 06:03 pm UTC (link)
This reminds me of a book I just finished reading-- have you read Daughters of the North yet? Came out just last year.

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