ginmar ([info]ginmar) wrote,
@ 2008-05-11 15:06:00
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Huh. YOu know, it just amazes me how disingenuous my conservative trolls are. They say that I 'don't deserve the gift that is life', or host people who say shit like that----[info]atomicsappertom I'm looking at you---and then they pretend they're all neutral and shit, when in fact, they were predisposed to hate me or any liberal or feminist, and broke my rules so they could whine about how mean and cruel I am. Of course, then the hatred just piles on and then you have people looking to find out who I really am, where I live, and so forth. They whine that I'm mean to conservatives; what they always neglect to mention is the asshole, say, who called rape victims frothing man haters so he could tout his sexual assault as the one, true, only sexual assault. They also ignore the fact that this is my blog, I set the rules, and if you break those roles---i.e,. coming here specifically to get banned---then the fault is yours, Mr. Conservative Moral Neutral Logically Perfect asswipe.

So I don't deserve to live and you think you can diagnose what's wrong with me. Here's what's wrong with you: you're all cowardly assholes who think you're too special to respect someone's rules, someone's privacy, someone's standards. The funny thing, the inescapable difference between these conservatives and me is that I'm not interested in invading their privacy, finding their real identity, locating their home address, threatening their safety, or any of that. Time and again, these people have threatened that, and tried to accomplish it. YOu know what? There's several people with my name on the web. To find me, you had to either pay for the information or somebody gave it to you. You guys all have the same friends and spout the same bullshit. Guilt by association is nothing but appropriate here. I can't tell one asshole from another one, not when they say the same shit, make the same threats, and parrot the same conservative talking points.

Guilt by association? You all have been doing this shit for years, regurgitating the same lies and bullshit about me from blog to blog, all the same, and now you're trying to track me down? I've never done that. I never will. I guess that's what passes for conservative honor these days.

Do try and justify this shit. Really. Come on. I dare you. By hosting it in your blogs, letting people post it in your comments, allowing it to go unpunished, you've fostered a community of stalkers and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Bitch and moan all you want about OMG SHE'S SO MEEN but you can't get around the fact that it's you guys who've been winking at this stuff for years. Bitching at me wasn't good enough because I just decided to ignore you assholes, ban you from my blog, and get on with things. Then this malevolent shit began. How do you live with yourselves?

As examples:

Number one: PSA #1: Public availability of information
I get the impression that some people really don't get just how... transparent the universe has become. Between google, public directories, and a few other tools, there's more information about you out there than you really want to face up to. Public personnas, especially, are _easy_ to track down. At that point, it very much becomes a matter of what you choose to do with the information.


Number twoi disagree. whatever problems ginmar has, they are no excuse for behavior unless she is well and truly an unmedicated paranoid schizophrenic. she has proven to me that she is not worthy of her gift of life, and i'm not going to apologize for that judgement. and i'll only retract it when she decides to 1) medicate and/or 2) become a useful person, instead someone who's sole interest seems to be spreading hate and poison.

i honestly don't think you need to apologize to her, tom. the only one you need to apologize to is yourself, for wasting so much time on her.



Number 3: Eat shit, you fucking cunt. Iraqis could have raped your lying bitch ass up, down, and sideways for all I care, but I wouldn't even ask them for the film footage because a whore as repulsive as yourself would only be of sex value as a slash film, which clearly they never bothered to make. Since your life is of more value to them as an American traitor than it is as as a rotten corpse. (Wait, I just now realized that they got both. You stink of societal decay.)

Redacted: my first name, which only my friends use: you can kiss my filthy white capitalist ass, you dog-munging fuckwhore. Eat shit and die.

(PS - I'd be honored to be banned by you. All the best people seem to be on that list. Thanks!)


Number four, same person as three

My name redacted. This person threatens me, then addresses me like we're buddies?

I'd like to apologize for the postings I made last night on your LJ, and for descending to that level again in our exchange of comments this morning.

I was inebriated and stupid.
Excuse number one! I intended to insult you in the most offensive way possible. You've attacked my friends in this way, and at the time I thought it was justifiable Excuse number two! It was not. I do not stoop to that level sober and I should not have done it drunk. Excuse number three!

If I don't like someone, I avoid them. The only reason I'm posting here is to do that. I understand there's a firestorm of comments about me. I haven't read them and am not interested in doing so. I *would*, however, like to apologize - as a civilized person - for not having been one last night. That level of offensiveness is never justified; it is beneath my dignity as a writer and a professional.

An apology, however, is not.


But blaming it on the person you threatened is.

Here's a clue, conservatives: blaming your behavior on the victim and on booze is not okay. It's on you. Funny, in all the years I've been blogging, I've never revealed someone's identity, or threatened them with stalking or rape.

Here's another clue: telling somebody they're crazy and too angry is a double-edged sword. If they're genuinely crazy, then you're an asshole. If they're not crazy, you're a liar. If they're justifiably angry, you're a tool. If they're not angry you're a manipulative shit for denigrating them. Oh, yeah, and calling women 'too angry' has a long history to it, whether or not you're a woman. Women who do this to other women are just sucking up to men. Men who do it are, as I noted above, manipulative assholes.

I've not been shy about writing about my struggles with PTSD. My detractors want to blame it on my PTSD, but also want to claim that I'm a bitch to begin with.

How do you live with yourselves? You're sane, adult, and like to consider yourself logical, fair, balanced, and superior. You disgust me.



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chicken-shit bastards
[info]jeric_synergy
2008-05-11 08:36 pm UTC (link)
"They say that I 'don't deserve the gift that is life'"

How is that not a threat? Chicken shits. It just KILLS them that you ignore them.

I bet these people lit their shares of bags of shit on their opponents' doorsteps.

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Re: chicken-shit bastards
[info]ginmar
2008-05-11 08:39 pm UTC (link)
I've edited the post. You can read some of the shit they've actually said.

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I bet these people lit their shares of bags of shit on their opponents' doorsteps.
[info]stardragonca
2008-05-13 11:07 pm UTC (link)
I bet these people light their shares of bags of shit on anyone handy's doorsteps.
Fixed it.

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Re: I bet these people lit their shares of bags of shit on their opponents' doorsteps. - [info]jeric_synergy, 2008-05-13 11:38 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]greeneyedkzin
2008-05-11 09:01 pm UTC (link)
I don't know where the fuck they get the arrogance.

I saw one today, berating a woman who was weeping and on her cell phone in a cafe. The woman's mother, after many years of dementia, had died at 102, and she was far away and distraught.

Guy started yelling at her.

I started yelling at him that he would not say that to a man, that as an Asian, he was losing face and disgracing himself by being disrespectful to a woman who had lost her mother...he didn't listen to me.

The woman offered to take him outside and ROLL him.

The manager threw him out, thanked me for saying my piece, and then said "how come -I- didn't think of it when he yelled at my employee? She was..."

"You're the default value."

WHERE do they come from, and who the fuck told them they could open up like that?

Right now, you may need a good thank-you for empowering me, and I am NOT shy.

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[info]ginmar
2008-05-11 09:11 pm UTC (link)
These are the guys who'll go on and on about respect and fair play and chivalry and protecting the women till the women say, "Hey, you're being an asshole."

When polite debate includes threatening people while others go, "I just respectfully disagree that she doesn't deserve to live...." it's not any of those things, and these people are fooling themselves.

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(no subject) - [info]the_resa, 2008-05-11 10:09 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]wuchan
2008-05-11 09:42 pm UTC (link)
Oh wow. This reminds me of when I got a death threat on my old LJ for writing about feminism. This enraged idiot made his entire anonymous comment (yes, I was dumb enough to not disable that back then) based on how women aren't meant to be in the sciences because they just "don't care", and that's why there are far less female scientists.

I remember having a reply written out, actually trying to reason with this vicious tard by saying that it wasn't until very recently that women were even ALLOWED to study science, etc. But then I chickened out and just deleted the whole post. ;_; He might have known me from school.

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[info]ginmar
2008-05-11 09:47 pm UTC (link)
I have to point out that I don't like the use of the word 'tard'---several of my readers either work with or have relatives who are retarded.

I refuse to delete shit, but at the same time, after dealing with the same bullshit code phrases over and over again I refuse to deal with yet another troll spouting the same hate speech. Sometimes they try and dress it up to be 'civil' but it's still bullshit designed to allow them their denial. Well, I'm their wake up call.

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(no subject) - [info]wuchan, 2008-05-12 06:10 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]the_resa
2008-05-11 10:08 pm UTC (link)
Often, it is pointless to try to reason with someone like this.

True Story:
When I was a teen, my brother went into my room, took several of my things and sold them. I complained to my parents, who told me that it was my fault if he was able to go into my room and take my things.

I countered with, "so you're saying it's okay for him to steal my things."

They said, "no, of course not."

To which I said, "but you said it was my fault if he went into my room and took my things."

They said, "yes".

I said, "so it's okay for him to steal my things."

Them: "No."

I repeated this several times. They did not get it. They saw no problem with their logic.

It's entrenched stupidity.

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-11 10:09 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]the_resa, 2008-05-11 10:12 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-11 10:13 pm UTC (Expand)
(ducks head) - [info]the_resa, 2008-05-11 10:19 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: (ducks head) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-11 10:29 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]greyladybast, 2008-05-11 11:07 pm UTC (Expand)
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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 06:14 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]nimbrethil
2008-05-11 11:09 pm UTC (link)
I got into an argument with this guy who was going on about how girls shouldn't play RPGs and not expect harrassment. I put on my feminist hat and told him exactly what I thought about it...and he ended with these words, verbatim: "You're such a rude bitch. If this were real life I'd beast fuck you and send you home to Mommy."

I successfully managed to nail him to the wall on that because the game's abuse team agreed with me that it was a threat. The result? Guys saying that people like me who took things that personally should be shot.

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-11 11:21 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]al_zorra
2008-05-11 09:53 pm UTC (link)
[ "The funny thing, the inescapable difference between these conservatives and me is that I'm not interested in invading their privacy, finding their real identity, locating their home address, threatening their safety, or any of that." ]

The first one who invades, he who strikes the first blow, is the guilty one.


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[info]ginmar
2008-05-11 09:54 pm UTC (link)
These guys are so entitled that they perceive disagreement as being just as injurious to their privileged selves as a blow. Especially because I'm a lowly woman and a librul.

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perception of wealth - [info]tychecat, 2008-05-12 08:10 pm UTC (Expand)
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(no subject) - [info]greeneyedkzin, 2008-05-13 10:52 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]ginmar
2008-05-11 11:55 pm UTC (link)
Except they define as a blow anything they don't like.

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(no subject) - [info]stardragonca, 2008-05-13 04:56 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]stardragonca
2008-05-11 10:10 pm UTC (link)
You should definitely contact as many authorities as possible,simply to make them aware of the facts.
I mean everyone from the cops by your house to Homeland Security.
We are in real life stalkery territory now,there's no point in waiting for further developments. Start the case files now.

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I love the "I wuz drunk" excuse
[info]bellatrys
2008-05-11 10:14 pm UTC (link)
because everyone knows we women don't EEEVER get drunk, so we just don't UNNERSTAN' how it is when a [real true] human being gets drunk they just go and compulsively type things they don't really mean and hit "send" in a fog because as everyone knows alcohol is a psychtropic drug not a depressant, that old saying "in vino veritas" doesn't mean shit b/c what did the Romans know about booze anyway?

Yeah, it didn't work great for Alex Kochno either - horrible mean feminazis ruling the world and all, no sympathy for a decent man in his cups.

Assholes.

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Re: I love the "I wuz drunk" excuse - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-11 10:39 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: I love the "I wuz drunk" excuse - [info]greyladybast, 2008-05-11 11:10 pm UTC (Expand)
yeah, that's "Tradition" - part of good old Western Culture - [info]bellatrys, 2008-05-12 12:29 am UTC (Expand)
Of course when men are drunk, it doesn't count - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 12:32 am UTC (Expand)
Seriously. - [info]bellatrys, 2008-05-12 12:47 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Seriously. - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 12:50 am UTC (Expand)
my fave part of that whole exchange - [info]bellatrys, 2008-05-12 01:11 am UTC (Expand)
Re: my fave part of that whole exchange - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 01:14 am UTC (Expand)
thing is, many are in denial about that fact - [info]bellatrys, 2008-05-12 01:26 am UTC (Expand)
Re: thing is, many are in denial about that fact - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 01:33 am UTC (Expand)
but see, the Jewish guy didn't object, so he must not have minded - [info]bellatrys, 2008-05-12 01:45 am UTC (Expand)
Re: but see, the Jewish guy didn't object, so he must not have minded - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 01:49 am UTC (Expand)
Yup - [info]bellatrys, 2008-05-12 10:53 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Seriously. - [info]nimbrethil, 2008-05-12 04:56 am UTC (Expand)
Heh, I recently heard that described as - [info]bellatrys, 2008-05-12 10:52 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Heh, I recently heard that described as - [info]stardragonca, 2008-05-13 05:00 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: yeah, that's "Tradition" - part of good old Western Culture - [info]nimbrethil, 2008-05-12 02:42 am UTC (Expand)
Re: I love the "I wuz drunk" excuse - [info]greeneyedkzin, 2008-05-11 11:11 pm UTC (Expand)
hmm... - [info]bellatrys, 2008-05-12 12:42 am UTC (Expand)

[info]fabricdragon
2008-05-11 10:21 pm UTC (link)
ugh
you would hope people like that would be too dumb to post, but i suppose thats asking too much.

hugs

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[info]una_m
2008-05-11 10:43 pm UTC (link)
"what you choose to do with the information". Try "live and let live", if you want to try acting like an adult. Knowing someone's personal information does not equal "license to stalk and threaten", you creeps.

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-11 10:47 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]lookingforwater
2008-05-11 10:47 pm UTC (link)
It's the lizard defense. Puff yourself up because you're actually very small and insignificant, and you know it.

Except the lizard in Rescuers Down Under was actually kinda clever and secretly brave, so maybe I shouldn't insult lizards like that.

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-11 10:51 pm UTC (Expand)
Fascists
[info]ad_kay
2008-05-11 10:57 pm UTC (link)
What the troll's enablers did is nothing different from what Ann Coulter, Melanie Morgan or Michael Savage do every day: incite their followers to commit violence and disingenuously deny having done so. It's insidious, oppressive and fascist. Reading Dave Neiwert's blog Orcinus makes it very easy to spot this kind of behavior.

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Re: Fascists - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-11 10:59 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Fascists - [info]ad_kay, 2008-05-11 11:01 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Fascists - [info]nimbrethil, 2008-05-11 11:19 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Fascists - [info]tayefeth, 2008-05-11 11:30 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]docjeff
2008-05-11 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Number one: PSA #1: Public availability of information

Fact is that there are very few people who can adequately hide themselves from a determined searcher with time on their hands.

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-11 11:38 pm UTC (Expand)
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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-11 11:41 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]davidkevin
2008-05-11 11:55 pm UTC (link)

>> she has proven to me that she is not worthy of her
>> gift of life, and i'm not going to apologize for that
>> judgement.



Y'know, I cannot even conceive of anyone, even the people who have gone out of their way to so viciously harass me, even anyone from the several neo-Nazi "communities", who is not worthy of their life because of what they write in LiveJournal.

I thought I had seen the depths to which people could descend in angry LJ postings, but this sets a new low. I'm sorry you were on the receiving end of it.

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(no subject) - [info]davidkevin, 2008-05-12 12:25 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 12:30 am UTC (Expand)

[info]ed_dirt
2008-05-12 01:08 am UTC (link)
Wow, Gin.

In my mind heart i am hugging you.

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[info]nimbrethil
2008-05-12 02:47 am UTC (link)
she has proven to me that she is not worthy of her gift of life, and i'm not going to apologize for that judgement.

That is just such a vile thing to say. I have to wonder about the people in this guy's life, because that statement just oozes with emotional abuse.

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 02:50 am UTC (Expand)
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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 02:56 am UTC (Expand)

[info]mackiemesser
2008-05-12 03:10 am UTC (link)
You know, I have to wonder: just how small (in all meanings of that) are these guys that they are so fixated on you and so completely incapable of finding a nice bridge and just getting the fuck over it?

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(no subject) - [info]ginmar, 2008-05-12 03:18 am UTC (Exp